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Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

St. Louis, MO-The Organization for Black Struggle, Affiliate of the Black Radical Congress, is making an urgent plea to all justice-seeking friends to stop the state murder of Marlin Gray. Gray has an execution date of Wednesday, October 26 at 12:01 am. The recent discovery of the 1995 execution of Larry Griffin is hovering over us as a grim reminder of what can happen. We must mount an mammoth offensive before another innocent black man is murdered in Missouri.
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Marlin Gray’s case may be another example of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. In 1991, Gray and three teen-agers visited a well-known hang out called Chain of Rocks Bridge. They encountered Julie and Robin Kerry and their out-of-town cousin, Tom Cummins, all white. Before the dawn, Julie and Robin end up in the Mississippi River; Julie’s body was never recovered. Cummins was the original suspect and was arrested and charged with the murders. His story had conflicting and incredulous facts, like alleged jumping 80 feet into the cold water and swimming against the mighty currents in attempts to save his cousin. When found by the Coast Guard, Cummins’ hair was completely dry and contained no river silt. He also failed a polygraph test.

Another scenario, pieced together based on documents, is that Cummins had a romantic thing for Julie. As she was sitting on the bridge guard rail, Cummins made an advance towards her, perhaps a kiss. She leaned backward to avoid him and fell into the water. Her sister jumped in to try and save her.

Guilt shifted from Cummins when it was discovered that Gray and others were also on the bridge that fateful night. In short order, the sole white member of their group, was used to turn state’s evidence against the three young, black men. Charges were then dropped against Cummins who eventually sued the St. Louis Police Department and walked away with $150,000. The black youth all received the death penalty in one of the most high-publicized murder cases of the 1990’s.

If we can stop Pepsi Cola from canceling Kanye West’s contract, surely we can halt the lethal execution of a black man who has proclaimed his innocence from the start. No physical evidence, beaten confessions by police, prosecutorial misconduct, deals cut in exchange for false testimony—all have been ignored at this point by the racist judicial system. The only way to get justice for Marlin Gray, co-defendant Reginald Clemons and the Kerry family is to get to the real truth. The only way to stop the execution is to put pressure on Missouri’s Governor.

Stop the death machine! What you can do in the next 48 hours:

1. Call, write or email Governor Matt Blunt (R) to stop the execution of Marlin Gray. Contact information is 573-751-3222 (phone); 573-751-1495 (fax); mogov (at) mail.state.mo.us (email).

2. Circulate this announcement to your email contacts and listservs immediately.

3. Sign Marlin’s petition at www.petitiononline.com/alive205/petition.html

4. For those in Missouri, visit the OBS website for updates and information on vigils, etc. at www.obs-onthemove.org. Hit “Future Actions” page on left-hand navigation bar.
 
 

Comments

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I can't believe that people are still throwing around the story that Tom Cummins raped and killed his cousins. Anyon who has thoroughly examined the facts cannot conclude that he did it, and the ridiculous "scenario" made up in this post seems more defense-attorney boilerplate than reasonable alternate version.

I am fully opposed to the death penalty for Marlin Gray, but I am responsible enough to say that without engaging in a evival of the witchhunt against Tom Cummins (which was devised by a white conservate police officer to begin with -- but that doesn't fit the easy story Gray's lily-white, money-hungry lawyers have pushed). Perhaps Gray is innocent, but that does not make Cummins guilty (or vice versa). As activists, why would we engage in the polarized logic of the legal system that is going to kill Gray?

The statement that Cummins failed a polygraph test is incredibly offensive given how many truly innocent people fail them, and how reliance on polygraphs has been used against the oppressed. Why should activists support the polygraph test results here? What about the death-row inmates who have been innocent but failed multiple polygraph tests? Should we say they weren't innocent?

I am also amazed at how lightly the left takes accusations of rape. There is good evidence that Gray is a rapist. A blanket defense of him in this patriarchal society in which rape is a very real fact of life is irresponsible. I urge people to read up on the story, and I urge male activists to think long and hard about rape. It's clear that the cops, attorneys and activists involved in this case are too interested in a phallogocentric pursuit of their political goals at the expense of the real issue: RAPE and MURDER. Both the pursuit of the death penalty and the witchhunt against Cummins have been wrong outcomes of this pursuit, and neither does anything to destroy the patriarchal impulse behind rape.
 

Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

First of all, he did not rape his cousins. In early June of 1990, Thomas and his lover (also his first cousin) arranged to spend 2 weeks at their grandfather's home in Clearwater, Florida. At the end of June, during a phone conversation with Julie, he learned she was pregnant (Gee? I wonder by whom?), and that she also got an abortion (arranged by...let's see...can you say perhaps...Eugene Cummins, Thomas' father?). According to Thomas, he knew the baby's father "quite well" and that "the father loves her dearly and respects any decision she wishes to make and will always love, support and be there for her". Thomas also said that Julie's mother, Ginna, knew about the pregnancy (and also arranged for the incestuous abortion possibly with her brother, Gene)...got all that so far? Oh there's more, trust me.

So you see he didn't "rape" his cousins. He simply made a pass/kiss/embrace at Julie who was leaning backwards on the 4' railing of the bridge, lost her balance and fell backwards into the water. After that, its anyone's guess...did Thomas throw Robin into the water? Doubtful. Did Robin jump in after Julie...probably so.

Thomas Cummins not only failed the polygraph (twice), he also told 5 different stories to the detectives. His own father said, "That does not surprise me as Thomas [ever since he's been a little boy] has been lying and coming up with these unbelievable stories just to cover up his own mistakes."

There was no rape involved on the bridge that night. No forensic evidence (DNA in semen or blood, hair, fibers, fingerprints, clothing, etc) was ever found on or near the bridge/alleged manhole cover). They charged the "suspects" later on with rape, but once there was a murder conviction/death sentence, the rape and robbery charges were all dropped by Nels Moss (the Prosecuting Attorney)...hmm...kinda fishy don't you think?
 

Re: Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

"He simply made a pass/kiss/embrace at Julie who was leaning backwards on the 4' railing of the bridge, lost her balance and fell backwards into the water."

None of the accounts I've read ever mention that you were on the bridge that night, Me. Thanks for telling your previously-censored story.

That's the real travesty -- Me's story has never been told. The injustice is staggering!
 

Re: Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Not to question your integrity, bit I'm curious where your information comes from, and if it has any basis in fact? Please cite a few resources if you have any..
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

The above listed email address gets a "bounce" message. You should go directly to the website listed in the bounce message, especially when time is a factor as it is in this case.

"This e-mail address is no longer valid, please contact Governor Blunt via e-mail at "

www.gov.mo.gov/constituentform.htm


While I'm posting a comment, let me ask the status of the other two innocent Black gentlemen falsely accused of "rape" and murder: have they already been put to death?
 

They weren't raped

They weren't raped. For a rape conviction, you're supposed to PROVE two things for each victim:

1) The act occurred, and
2) The act was not consensual.

One body was never found, so you can't show that she was penetrated. The other stiff had been in the water for a while and was somewhat rotten. Can't prove she was penetrated.

As to consent, whenever a nonwhite man is accused of killing a white female, they tack on "rape" charges (unless she has her hymen intact, in which case they tack on "attempted rape" charges as in the Ferguson/Florissant "Flush white trash down the toilet" incident). It's like the story "Native Son". Same as the Deep South of the 1800s (or anywhere in the USA, as Native Son took place in Chicago).

The girls didn't have to be pushed by their cousin (not terribly surprised that white cousins would make moves on each other, though!). They could have committed suicide by jumping off (I've always considered it a suicide). Another likely scenario: the girls were drunk (or high on other drugs) and they slipped off. Back then, the bridge was closed to the public, unlighted, possibly with holes in the side bars.

One thing is certain: the STLPD([search]) _LIED_. Any confession by the brothers was false, the result of illegal interrogation in which torturous cops forced him to say things or else they'd continue the torture.

The forensic officer lied, making theories that contradict the main story. The officer claimed that the one body that was found had a dent in her skull, "PROVING" that Gray hit her with a large object, then dragged her to the bridge and dumped her overboard. In reality, there are lots of rocks in a rapids just downstream of the bridge; any dents in her skull probably occurred as she went down the rapids. In addition, the "he raped and hit her on the head somewhere else, then took her to the bridge" story goes against other cops who claim they were "raped" on the bridge.

In any event, all three brothers are innocent. Hypothetically, even if they had done the girls (which they didn't), there's no way to prove the girls didn't want it.

In addition, the "peaceful" methods in the original article aren't the only way to handle the situation. Remember: negative reinforcement is the main way to achieve justice. Blunt's decision to pardon is based not on doing the right thing, but to avoid negative repercussions that would result from _not_ pardoning the innocent men.

Too bad the gentlemen weren't tried in Illinois, then Ryan would have commuted their sentences.
 

Still grieving

To speak so insultingly of the dead really shows what an asshole you are, Eric. No one will ever know what truly happened on the bridge that evening, but one thing is certain, two very lovely girls were murdered and you should try to be respectful of that fact.

I knew the Kerry sisters for years. Julie and I dated for a couple of years. Both girls were very into peace and social justice issues; Julie worked on inner-city literacy projects. They were both in love with life and to suggest that they commited suicide is to broadcast your complete ignorance.

Some very bad men did some very bad things that evening. Some very stupid people are using our nations' history of racial injustice to distort or justify the Kerry sisters' murderers actions. If the convicted were Lemay hoosiers, I seriously doubt we'd be having this discussion. If Lemay hoosiers had raped and pushed a couple of African-American girls off a bridge, you'd be calling for their scalps.

Knowing Julie and what a beautiful, peaceful person she was, I've always thought it so ironic that the men who killed her were sentenced to death. Julie was opposed to the death penalty. Too bad her killers weren't opposed to murder.
 

So you dated her huh?

Well it seems as if Julie was more interested in screwing her cousin than you huh? Robin died because her sister didn't know how to find a man outside of her family. Thomas Cummins is a perverted sick individual who tried to have sex with his cousin one last time. I get so tired of the Kerry family including that opportunist bitch Jeanine Cummins whining about stuff they can't even be honest about. I hope that you are still close to the family so maybe you can ask Gene Cummins about the abortion he payed for when his niece got pregnant by his son. Oh, by the way I am the niece of Marlin Gray asshole!
 
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Blacks are incapable of negative reinforcement

Eric B. and his "posse"like to rant about "negative reinforcement".The reality of the situation is that Blacks are incapable of widespread negative reinforcement.

Blacks may lash out in little insignificant acts,but these acts have no real bearing on who truly holds power in this country as well as the world.Malcolm X advocated such nonsense and look what that achieved.

I find his comments as laughable as the concept of Black "Gangstas"who idealize the real Mafia and run around like illiterate Gorillas wearing their "collahs"commiting two bit crimes and pretending like they actual have some authority and power when all they are really doing is fighting and killing themselves,but I say let them,good riddance.

The moral of the story is Blacks can be racist also and Eric B.is one of them.Marlin Gray needs to be punished for his crimes against these innocent White girls.
 

Grow up

I know R.J. personally because he is a friend of a friend who I introduced to Indymedia.I have never heard him talk about the nonsense that he posts.
Anytime that I have been around him he always seemed fairly timid and backwards.I think he posts these comments to get everybody worked up and feel like he is something he is not.Grow up already R.J.
 

Eric B. and Rakim.... and Umar?

Umar, you are not fooling anyone by posting
under the name of one of your favorite old school hip-hop artists.I think some of your comments are racist,(but amusing) and as a bi-racial person I would like to hear your feelings on people of mixed heritage.
 

Re: They weren't raped

"Even if they did the girls, there's no way to prove that the girls didn't want it" Typical male bullshit. Rape is a crime of violence, not passion, you asshat.
 

Re: They weren't raped

Good job, Eric! You're right, Robin was never found. The body they allegedly found in Caruthersville, Mo 150 miles away downstream in the slough of the Mississippi River 3 weeks after the incident WAS NOT JULIE KERRY. I have found forensic evidence (that was denounced and not allowed in at trial thanks to Nels Moss' little rampage) that 1) the forensic dentist that "matched" her dental records was not a forensic dentist at all...he was simply a general dentist who just happened to be Julie's father (no conflict of interest there!); and 2) another objective expert forensic dentist claims that the dental records DID NOT MATCH up at the time.

I, too, suspected suicide (and still it remains in my mind). On Wednesday evening (2 days prior to the incident) Julie drove Thomas (without Robin) down to the Levee to show him how much "in love" she was with the river and what it held for her...like a magnetic hold. 6 months prior, she wrote a long poem cryptically referring to "being on the bridge, jumping off into the mighty Mississippi and how glorious one would feel". Her poem appeared in the UMSL Current in January, 1991. There were many holes in the railings/side bars of that bridge.

Sure the SLMPD lied...they were Nels Moss' henchmen. Hell, he received over $2000 in campaign contributions in 1992 (just prior to the trials) from the St. Louis Police Officer's Association. They beat Marlin (I was there at City Jail that night to personally attest to his injuries but the jailers refused him medical attention. Reggie's beating during questioning was so bad the judge stopped the arraignment so Reggie could go to the Emergency Room...guess that's not enough proof for people.

The forensic officer testifying to "the body" was a quack and a goofball. The body had no dent in her skull (according to witnesses at the scene of the recovery). According to the medical examiner there, "this body had little no visible signs of injury, slightly-moderately bloated, all extremities intact, and STILL CLOTHED. This girl looks like she just "walked into the river and drowned maybe 2-3 days ago. The body did not have any signs of decomposition relative to it being in the water 3 weeks and traveling 150 miles past all those chemical/industrial/treatment plants, debris, barge traffic, wild predators in the water, etc.

RIP IN HEAVEN...is a crock of lies...interesting though...as Jeanine Cummins (the author and Thomas' sister), by her own admission of guilt, had prior knowledge that Thomas was going to sneak out of the house to have a late night rendezvous with Julie going up to the Bridge (against their father's expressed directives earlier). If she had opened her mouth, her cousins might still be alive today...and so would Marlin Gray!
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Skip killing Marlin and kill Eric instead. That way, everyone is happy.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I concur with Dr. Eric regarding the autopsy. His assessment seems reasoned and based on scientific fact. Just because he was 2 years old when the murder occurred doesn't mean he doesn't know a lot about it. I hear he's "read" a lot about murder. Also, those works of fiction he cited make a real convincing argument. Eric, you should be a lawyer instead of a forensic pathologist.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I would be curious to know if you would still be whining to stop this execution if Mr.Gray was a White man.Why is it so relevant that he is a Black man.

Oh,now I remember most of you adhere to the philosophy that Black people cannot be racist towards Whites so any crime a Black man commits should be excused.P.Diddy and 50 cent and Mike Tyson can do anything they chose and the O.J.verdict should be looked back upon as being justified.

This concept that Blacks cannot be racist is yet another played out convoluted notion to help try to excuse Black people who do not know how to conduct themselves and interact in a civil society.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I wonder if Eric B. truly believes the drivel that he writes.I hate to say it,but he almost gives credibility to what R.J. is always rambling on about.....People who write such racist,unreasonable hate speech usually suffer from severe feelings of insecurity and are compelled to lash at at the source of the fear,which in this case is a different ethnic group.

Eric B. and R.J. are two of a kind and neither one offer any comments that could be looked upon as legitimate arguments.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I think people are forgetting the real victims of this tragedy,the Kerry sisters.I don't agree with the death penalty,but that still doesn't make Marlin Gray an innocent man.

I find it offensive that people like Eric.B refer to the Kerry sisters in such a racist,disrespectful way.While I don't believe he should be killed for his crimes,Marlin Gray appears to be nothing more than a low life individual who contributed little to society and should be held accountable for his crimes.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

i dont know much about this case but here's what i do know:

1. indymedia stl. should re-examine its moderation policy and boot fools like R.J. from this forum. there should never be tolerance for his sort of ignorance.

2. eric b. is probably well-intentioned, but it's disrespectful as all hell, and counterproductive, to talk about the deceased the way he did. it's dumb, cruel, and uncalled for.

3. there really shouldnt be any rape conviction against the man if consent isnt established. these poor young women are dead, we really will never know if they were raped or had consensual sex.

4. no one should ever be convicted of a capital crime in the absence of physical evidence. in many states, that is a law. it should be law here too.

5. the fact that Gray was convicted of rape really illustrates the racist undercurrent of this whole proceeding.

6. the "black man rapes and murders beautiful white women" script is a lie so many times repeated in this countries history that it has become horribly predictable. the overwhelming majority of lynchings in the south were/are justified because "he raped one of OUR women." Emmit Till was lynched for the alleged crime of /whistling/ at a white woman. there is something in the white supremacist patriarchal psyche that CAN NOT HANDLE the idea of consensual sex between black men and white women. moreover, actual incidences of sexual, or any kind of violence coming from members of oppressed groups upon members of oppressor groups are disproportionately low. want to find a real rape epidemic? look at the rates of rape by white, middle-class and wealthy professionals and college students. thats who is commiting most of the rapes, and they are commiting them disproportionately against women of color.

7. the fact that the corporate media continues to unconsciously inject the "black man rapes and murders beautiful young white women" script into the telling and re-telling of the story only underscores how deeply racism, serious, virulent, vitriolic, unsubtle racism, has penetrated our culture and society.

8. the death penalty is wrong for anyone. it's an unmitigated tragedy, and an outrage, when it is carried out against someone who is likely innocent, just like it was a tragedy and an outrage that these young women suffered the fate that they did that night.

9. it is rare for guilty people to maintain their innocence from arrest, through trial, conviction, imprisonment, and even through the very moment of execution. most guilty people admit their guilt eventually.

10. a nationwide review of DNA evidence made available after conviction shows that at a minimum, fully 15% of those on death row are likely innocent.
 

I still say Silising' Wi is Seafoam

I still contend that seafoam and silising'wi are the same person.I'd still like to know what demographic you are coming from because I really enjoy the comments.

Don't be so hard on poor little R.J.even mentally retarded people have a need to be heard.
 

Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Gray was not convicted of Rape. He was convicted on 2 counts of Murder First Degree.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

hi, i am seafoam. you'll have to take my word, i guess, that i'm not silising.

my demographic? im white, straight, male, college educated, work full-time in a factory, own my home, am getting dangerously close to being in my mid 30s, and have an infant son.

i dont think that proves anything, but there you have it, watcher.
 

I Am Not Eric B

But Eric B did bring up some good points about the rape conviction and on other points I disagree with him. If you want my feelings on this case you can go to my blog umarlee.blogspot.com where I wrote a piece on this topic of Marlin Gray. BTW, Eric B is one of my favorite old school DJ's, he never quite did it as an MC.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Did you read the book A RIP In Heaven. Look at the facts Tom was up for over 42 hours which will throw off and lie detector test. because at 24 hours the body begians to shut down the mind. if you want to know more take a psyc class. Not only that a confession from tom was never optained. Also chain of rocks bridge where tom fell was only 50 feet from the ground. The current is strong enough to push tom ashore. Guess what robin and julie kerry didnt have a chance to speak. their lives will be for ever remebered by me and my entire family. RIP robin and julie Kerry
 

A message from Reggie Clemon's Mother

The stlimc editors recently received this message from Vera Thomas, mother of Marlin Gray's co-defendant Reggie Clemons:

Reggie Clemons is a 33 year old African American man sentenced to death in Missouri after an unfair trial by a jury that was biased in favor of execution. Reggie’s case is filled with many injustices including police brutality, gross prosecutorial misconduct and ineffective trial counsel. Reggie who had no criminal record was 19 years old at the time of his arrest. His interest has been in human rights, mechanics, inventions and he was in the process of starting a small business.

Reggie was sentenced to death for the 1991 murder of two young women who drowned after plunging from the Chain of Rocks Bridge into the Mississippi River. He was among a group of four young men (all teens except one) who encountered the victims and their cousin, Thomas Cummins on the Chain of Rocks Bridge. Even though the prosecutors conceded that Reggie neither pushed the women nor planned the crime, he was convicted on the theory that he was an accomplice. There was no physical evidence linking Reggie to the crime for which he received the death penalty, no fingerprints, no DNA, and no hair or fiber samples.

The police first arrested Thomas Cummins for the crime. Cummins told the police that he had jumped from the bridge into the Mississippi River. But, Cummins had no injuries and his hair was clean, dry and neatly combed. The police and the Coast Guard doubted Cummins’s story. The jump from the bridge to the river was 80 feet, and he would have landed in freezing water. Cummins failed a lie detector test and told police that the two women had fallen from the bridge as a result of an altercation that began after he made a sexual advance on one of them. The police arrested and charged Cummins with the murder of his cousins.Reggie was beaten by the police and coerced into making a false statement. He was denied an attorney. At Reggie’s arraignment, Judge Michael David noted that Reggie had suffered physical injury while in custody. The prosecutorial misconduct in Reggie’s case was so severe that the prosecutor was held in criminal contempt of court and fined for his conduct.

A Federal Judge vacated Reggie’s death sentence in 2002 and noted that Nels Moss (Prosecutor) actions were abusive and brutish. However, the 8th Circuit Court overturned the Federal Judges ruling. And Reggie was put back on death row and now faces an execution date being set by the state of Missouri.

Marlin Gray, one of the Chain of Rocks co-defendants, was executed on October 27, 2005, at 12:07 AM, by the State of Missouri.

For additional information about Reggie’s story and how you can help prevent another unjustified execution, visit his web site at www.justiceforreggie.com or contact Reggie’s mother at,

Vera Thomas (Reggie’s mother)
Justicefor Reggie
PO Box 210311
St. Louis, MO 63121
(314) 531-2422
Vjust123@sbcglobal.net

 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I'm glad the bastard is dead. This story is outrageous. Anyone who has read the facts knows he was guilty.
 

one year after

pathitic that folks can't believe that drug addicted predators would rape and kill 2 little girls. Roast in hell predatot, hope your buddies join you
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

this story isnt even right julies body was found robins wasnt if you think gray desives to live ur sick this isnt about race git over urselves blackes are more racist than white people
 

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Sir, if you can't spell, you probably shouldn't be posting on the internet.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

This kind of sight is not woth anyones time. Race was not a part of this crime. Tom Cummins IS innocent and a good man who was victimized by your so called person in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Why do so many black people think that white people must pay for sins of their great grandfathers? I am white and never felt a person's color mattered. Aren't black people the prejudice ones who assume that all white people are bad? This situation was horrible. If it were performed by white people on black people somehow it would be considered a million times worse by black people? Why can't many black people be happy with equal rights instead of better than equal? If us white people must pay for the sins of their great great grandfathers, well, the chinese and the irish were treated much worse. They should get all of the preferential treatment.
 

Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

I agree with Kevin. My veiw >Black people want us to always give them something free as though WE owe them something,We did not make you a slave,yet the Jewish were slaves years before blacks ,Do we hear them cry all the time? Stop using your race as to get us to do for you,Do it yourselves.What happens when blacks get free housing? They tear it up,complain about the free ride,and say they don't get a break cause they are black.Oh and by the way i am not a racist,I come from a mixed family.
 

Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Well I agree, But if their dolling out money don’t forget my ancestors, the American Indian. Years ago when I was in middle school one of my teachers made a comment. She being a black woman too, “If anyone calls you a slave just remind them that you descend from the Egyptians!” In that moment I became really confused. My thought was, “So, you don’t mind slavery only as long as you’re the ones in control!” Racism is easy to spot, it usually comes from those who are most eager to point it out or distort truth for their own purposes.

On the same subject, I am tired of the idea of slave reparations. I have never had or owned slaves so why should I pay anyone. And if I am to pay slave reparations, who will pay my people of four hundred years of murders, rapes, and theft? And does this mean all should leave America or just pay rent?
 

Re: Re: Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Well, if you want the whites to provide some sort of slave sympathy fund, then the blacks need to return all the shit they stole from the whites in that same time period. Ahhh, let's call it even and move on!
 

By All Means, Execute Marlin Gray

Why is this sack of crap still breathing air?
 

Let God Be the Judge

Today we have a simple means of justice, Execution. This of course is after years or decades of appeals and delays. But what about the victims? The families are forced to constantly live and relive the events threw appeal after appeal while the defense lawyers paint their clients as innocent children wrongfully convicted. In this case, Marlin Gray admitted his guilt. Not to pushing the two cousins over the bridge, but to raping them. He said he was beaten by the police but no sign of bruising. His tape confession didn’t sound cowerst or intimidated. The only misconduct the police made was to force a faked confession for Tom Cummings

The system is failing because it was designed to from the start. First the police who spend more time trying to close the case than solve it, Second the lawyers, they spend day pointing their fingers at everyone in the courtroom and ignoring the evidence before them. The rigorous defense attitude, Third Judges, who lack the strength or conviction of their jobs and instead of imposing law, they impose their own beliefs. I am so tired of listening to criminals who commit crimes, tell a sad story then blame their childhoods for everything they did. Two people are dead after being violated in one of the most evil ways possible; one was almost killed and continues to suffer even now.

Where is the justice for the victims?
 

Re: comment by nisha williams

It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant this country is. Unfortunately this country is still as racist as it pretty much always has been. What I find most unfortunate is that people on all sides no matter what color they are or culture they are from are equally racist and so quick to jump on the race bandwagon whenever they feel it backs up their claim, whatever it may be. I have been reading all the comments posted on this page,and for the most part I am shocked at the hatred and disrespect that some of you show; In your ranting alot of you show your ignorance with this case. You have loaded yourselves onto the race bandwagon and are touting a few select points that you feel back up your claims that innocent black men are being punished just because they are black. It is sad that some of you are using our nation's unfortunate racist history to back up your claims of "the poor, innocent black man". Just because someone convicted of a crime is black does not automatically make them innocent, nor does it make them guilty. I do believe in this case that Marlin Gray, Reginald Clemons, Antonio Richardson, and even Daniel Winfrey are all guilty. Unlike some of you I have been over the facts of the case, and am well aware of the existing forensic evidence and lack of it, as well as all the apparent discrepancies and "fishiness" as one of you put it. I support free speech , but most of you make a mockery out of it with your ignorance of this case. i have always been open to the possibility that maybe not all of the guys were guilty, maybe it was just a couple or even only one of them. This case was grossly mishandled in the beginning making it difficult to determine exactly what happened and who did what. Even if Marlin did not participate in the rapes or push the girls off, he certainly did nothing to stop the others.
To Nisha, if you still visit this site; your comment although I find it equally disrespectful and callous, I could sympathize a little with because you are family to Marlin. I am cousins with Tom and Julie and Robin and Tom did not rape anyone! The whole pregnancy theory is really retarded. I can understand the hostility coming from family members, that is to be expected. The rest of you don't seem to be showing your support with any logical or supported facts. You're all showing your true colors as ignorant, racist assholes. I guess you are true old time Americans. lastly Julie and Robing weren't white; they were of mixed race. Their mother was half spanish and half irish (so yes she is white) and their father was lebanese,that's in lebanon([search]). Most of you probably don't know that; you just see that they were light skinned and assume they must be white. how very narrow minded you are.
 

Re: comment by nisha williams

It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant this country is. Unfortunately this country is still as racist as it pretty much always has been. What I find most unfortunate is that people on all sides no matter what color they are or culture they are from are equally racist and so quick to jump on the race bandwagon whenever they feel it backs up their claim, whatever it may be. I have been reading all the comments posted on this page,and for the most part I am shocked at the hatred and disrespect that some of you show; In your ranting alot of you show your ignorance with this case. You have loaded yourselves onto the race bandwagon and are touting a few select points that you feel back up your claims that innocent black men are being punished just because they are black. It is sad that some of you are using our nation's unfortunate racist history to back up your claims of "the poor, innocent black man". Just because someone convicted of a crime is black does not automatically make them innocent, nor does it make them guilty. I do believe in this case that Marlin Gray, Reginald Clemons, Antonio Richardson, and even Daniel Winfrey are all guilty. Unlike some of you I have been over the facts of the case, and am well aware of the existing forensic evidence and lack of it, as well as all the apparent discrepancies and "fishiness" as one of you put it. I support free speech , but most of you make a mockery out of it with your ignorance of this case. i have always been open to the possibility that maybe not all of the guys were guilty, maybe it was just a couple or even only one of them. This case was grossly mishandled in the beginning making it difficult to determine exactly what happened and who did what. Even if Marlin did not participate in the rapes or push the girls off, he certainly did nothing to stop the others.
To Nisha, if you still visit this site; your comment although I find it equally disrespectful and callous, I could sympathize a little with because you are family to Marlin. I am cousins with Tom and Julie and Robin and Tom did not rape anyone! The whole pregnancy theory is really retarded. I can understand the hostility coming from family members, that is to be expected. The rest of you don't seem to be showing your support with any logical or supported facts. You're all showing your true colors as ignorant, racist assholes. I guess you are true old time Americans. lastly Julie and Robing weren't white; they were of mixed race. Their mother was half spanish and half irish (so yes she is white) and their father was lebanese,that's in lebanon([search]). Most of you probably don't know that; you just see that they were light skinned and assume they must be white. how very narrow minded you are.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

how ignorant can one be? this is a waste of taxpayers time and money. if he were so innocent then why did he brag to people even before he was a suspect that he did in fact murder the Kerry sisters and how did Toms watch end up in his friends house exactly where he said it would be. he was an evil person along with the other three. he especially should be held accountable seing how he was the ring leaader. you should open your eyes and focus on something productive instead of defending this cruel person. just how would you feel if this were your family, your daughters?
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

Not being there personally, I don't know what all the facts of the case are, but I think Tom's recollections of that fateful night are questionable.

I can't imagine any man or woman, especially a close relative, lying idly by while their family members were being assaulted and raped. He's either the World's biggest coward, or he's hiding something.

There's definitely more to the story than will ever be told. Only Julie and Robin know the whole truth..

Why Gray and his buddies confessed to the rape and Murder of the Kerry sisters is a mystery, especially If they didn't take a hand in the deaths. Why did they confess? For that matter why did Tom Cummins confess?

I'm sure a beating could force a false confession out of even the most resolute individual, but if you know you're going to die, or spend the rest of your life behind bars, why not tell what really happened that night?

I never thought the Kerry sisters were white. They looked more Hispanic or bi-racial to me. Their racial composition is really unimportant anyhow, the fact that they died is the crux of the matter.
 

Re: Stop the Execution of Marlin Gray

NOT ONLY WOULD I NOT WANT TO STOP THE EXECUTION...I COULD PULL THE SWITCH MYSELF AFTER READING THE REAL FACTS OF THE CASE...BY THE WAY, BRIDGE WAS ONLY 50 FEET FROM WATER...TOM'S HIP WAS BROKEN AND THE POLICE HAMMERED AT HIM FOR OVER 24 HOURS...THE POLICE HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED.
 

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