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Racism goes both ways.

I just saw where Black people are rioting in Toledo because some neo-nazi group or the like was wanting to have a demonstation.Why is it that every time that Black people have a problem they resort to looting and rioting?

Their excuse is always racism,but why is nothing ever said about the racism by Black rioters.They take their anger out on any White person they encounter because they are upset with a select few.They make generalizations that all White people are racist and get the mindset that all White people are in on the conspiracy to kill off the Black man.

The reality is that if the White man had wanted to terminate the Black mans existence on the planet,he could have done it long ago.Black people need to get their heads out of their asses and learn how to interact in a civilized society.

No one owes them anything and they need to learn how to be responsible and start being positive.BET for example is nothing but Rap music videos all day long.Where are their talk shows,their educational programs,their political involvment?

They need to stop worshipping worthless role models like 50 cent or some obnoxius ball player.George Bush did not sabotage the levees in New Orleans or create Hurricane Katrina with some secret White Man Hurricane Machine.The whole LAPD did not frame O.J.and every white person is not secretly in the KKK.

I hear Black people who are living better than I am complain about the horrible living conditions they are forced to endure with section 8,while I have to bust my butt every day while my tax dollars help pay for their seven illegimate kids.

Many Black people act like every White person is driving around in a new mercedes and makes a six figure income.If that is what you want in life you have to earn it.You can't sell drugs to get it and then claim racism after you are thrown in jail.You need to work hard and get an education,learn to speak proper english and learn to conduct yourself in a civilized manner.

If after all of that you still run into problems with racism,you work hard to change the system,the laws and by changing peoples minds by being articulate,civil and discussing the problems where as rioting and looting will not
achieve any of that and only make the problem worse.
 
 

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"The" Black people do not exist

This article first complains, that black people depict all white men as racist, and that this stereotype is not true - and then it starts over doing the same thing. Nothing but prejudices and over-generalizations:

-all black people hear Rap and Like 50Cent
-all of them have too many illigitimate Children
-all of them are parasites, living from white mens taxdollars
-their "every time" answer to problems is looting and rioting

And for the final "they need to learn how to be responsible" - What the heck is the meaning of this parental phrase? If you did not notice, there are some responsible black peoble arround.
This article presents just the currend racist white view how black people are: irresponsible parasites that blame everything on the white man. That´s shit. It has no news-value. .These stereotypes are just not true.
Why do we tolerate this kind of racism on indymedia? Why is there no collective effort to ban this shit?
 

ignore him

just rate the article down & ignore him. after his recent posts it should be very clear that the dude has some serious problems & it's not worth taking what he posts seriously. the only real danger he poses is in meatspace, to himself and his immediate family. in a virtual community he can easily be banished, i suppose, should the hosts decide to block his ip address, but all he is really doing is proving to the public how retarded his perception is and how backward his social skills are. if he wants to continue broadcasting this to the community, let him. every village needs at least one idiot. but don't let his poorly-constructed racist & misogynist provocations get under your skin. he's really just rantin' 'bout himself.
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

You cannot comment on what it is like to be a Black man unless you are one.What you fail to understand,R.J.,is how difficult it is to be positive when you are slapped in the face with bigotry and racism on a daily basis.

It doesn't matter how articulate,intelligent or civil a Black man may be they are still going to run into bone headed individuals like yourself who will not open their mind and give them a chance....Join the Human race already,Brotha!!!!
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

While I do not agree with the statements that R.J. is making,I do appreciate the fact that we have an outlet such as the Independent Media where people can openingly broadcast different opinions.

If you don't agree with what he is saying,then make comments to the contrary and back it up with facts.I personally do want to hear different perspectives on particular subjects that may differ radically from my own because isn't open,honest discussions and non censorship the whole concept of the Independent Media.
 

parody goes all the way

I just saw where white cops were beating a 64-year old retired african-american school teacher in new orleans because he resisted getting beaten in a racist assault. Why is it that every time that white cops have a problem they resort to beating or killing black men (and occassionally women)?

Their excuse is always that they're maitaining law & order, but why is nothing ever said about the racism by white cops? They take their anger out on any black person they encounter because they are upset with a select few. They make generalizations that all black people are up to no good and get the mindset that all black people are in on the conspiracy to kill off the white cop.

The reality is that if the black man had wanted to terminate the white cops existence on the planet, he's had plenty of legitimate reasons to do it long ago. White cops need to get their heads out of their asses and learn how to interact in a civilized society.

No one owes them anything and they need to learn how to be responsible and start being positive. Cop talk, for example is nothing but homophobic, racist, self-important, macho squealing all day long. Where are their human rights & conflict resolution programs, their anger management programs, their educational yearnings?

They need to stop worshipping worthless role models like dirty harry or some white mafiosa. Jerome Johnson did not run because he was guilty of anything or secretly conspire to kill white cops with some african animistic magic. The whole non-white community did not attend every white cops funeral because they hate the police and every black person is not involved with gangs, drugs or watching your white daughter/wife/grandma.

I hear white cops who are driving better vehicles than I am complain about the horrible working conditions they are forced to endure with section 8, while I have to bust my butt every day while my tax dollars help pay for their new anti-terrorism toys.

Many white cops act like every black person is some sort of subhuman creature who only understands force & violence and that it is the privelege and responsibility of macho white cops to administer it to them. If that is what you want in life you need to rethink exactly what you've become. You can't continue beating & killing non-whites to get your jollies and then claim you aren't racist after you are videotaped doing it. You need to think hard and get an education, learn to use your fucking head and learn to conduct yourself in a civilized manner.

If after all of that you still run into problems with non-whites, you think harder about what role you play in this system of structural violence and institutionalized racism, set forth in the laws of the real criminals running this society, and that only by changing those peoples minds and making yourself articulate, civil and motivated to discuss the real causes of why it ever was tolerated by any community that white cops beating and killing and harassing and imprisioning non-whites was a sign of civilization instead of only making the problem worse.


stangoff.com/
 

No different than R.J.

The link that silising'wi posted spews just as much racism as R.J. does....I don't really see how that type of mentality solves anything.

I also read were whats left of the originial Black Panthers do not endorse these new groups calling themselves Black Panthers.

The whole Black Power,Black Panther concept is a played out relic that will not acheive anything in this day and age and very few people are receptive to those outdated themes, let's find more constructive ways to solve the problem of Racism otherwise we are no better than R.J.
 

not very good w/ those reading skills, are you kb...

parody : a form of satire that imitates another work of art in order to ridicule it

or are you intentionally being dense? it's hard to guage from someone who has stated an interest in encouraging white supremacist rhetoric.

if you want opinion, read something like this
A Tale of Two Cities: From DC to Toledo
www.counterpunch.org/taylor10182005.html
 

Re: parody goes all the way

I fully understood that your commentary was a parody,but the link that you posted appeared not to be,or at least the part of it that I read.

I just don't think that anyone should be censored no matter how offensive the content.If you disagree with R.J.'s comments or anyone elses,then write counterpoints to show where they are wrong and you are right.

I have yet to see anyone deliver any commentary that negates what R.J.is saying,it seems as if many people just want to complain and do not really want to confront racism from a realistic,direct standpoint....what is there to be afraid of?

I simply want to get to factual truths and therefore I am open-minded to all perspectives.If someone is blowing smoke,then it should be easy to recognize and if you know the opinion to be false,it should not offend you.

You appear to be an intelligent person so I don't see why you waste your time being so negative and making snide comments when you could be contributing positive ideas.
 

Re: parody goes all the way

my bad...it's now obvious that you were refering to the "link" which i posted to stan's screed. he does followup w/ a comment further down that page which is worth reading if you didn't make it that far.

i'm not for censoring speech either, though i think it unwise to encourage or accept hate speech as genuine/constructive dialogue. hate speech is typically one-way rhetoric. there is no feedback loop expected or welcomed. whether provocative or declarative, it is meant to define power relations. true communication, in contrast, involves the exchange of information. while it may sometimes be delivered in varying approaches and take on surprising forms, communication is primarily dependant upon the art of listening. listening & tolerance are not the same thing, though. while we may listen to what rj rants on about, we do not have to tolerate it, no more than one would for a lunatic come into their house and take a dump on their living room floor.


also - what's up w/ stlimc not deleting the porn spam on the newswire?
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

Blacks are just pawns to be used by the rich little white kids who operate this site to tweak the nose of the establishment.

They are just mascots. Witness the condescending programs that they try to establish at CAMP([search]).
 

quesiton

what programs are those CAMP([search]) kids trying to establish?
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

CAMP([search])?
 

Racism goes one way.

At this point, there is still no such thing as a Black racist. As Onion Horton and others explain, a Black person can only be a bigot, not a racist. Bigotry is attitudes. Racism is actions. In addition, much of the "bigotry against whites" isn't actual bigotry because the negative attitudes against whites are logical and justifiable.

The people who shut down the Toledo Nazi/KKK march did the right thing by using negative reinforcement. Police should know that if they protect the marches of hatemongers, they WILL get attacked and injured, possibly killed, by those of us opposed to the KKK. We don't want OUR TAX DOLLARS paying for RECRUITMENT parades by hate groups, and we will use any means necessary to shut down the marches. If you don't want your arses kicked, don't allow KKK/Nazi recruitment marches.

One reason I dislike the ACLU is they use a high percentage of their funding to defend white supremacist groups, claiming the groups have the RIGHT to march and get taxpayer-funded police protection.
 

racism and the problem with unmoderated boards

i think more to the point, racism is prejudice + social/economic/cultural power. african-americans, as a group, do not hold power over whites, as a group. Racism-power= prejudice. Hence, as a group african-americans can not direct racism at whites, as a group, in the USA. as a group they can only direct prejudice.

of course the problem with the prejudice+power=racism formula of the 1970s is that it doesnt really see racism as an institution in and of itself, absent the intentions of any of those involved. which, to those who have given any sincere thought to the question, it clearly is.

but, your statement is correct that in general african-americans can not be racist against whites.

of course, the problem with unmoderated discussion forums is that, again and again, loudmouthed morons, who have given all of 10 minutes to thinking about the topic at hand, end up dominating the discussion. R.J. is a typical example of this phenomenon. R.J. is totally unafraid to display his utter ignorance to anyone who will listen to him. he has no qualms about showing the world that he is a thoughtless, loutish, moron who thinks that by typing the most words he wins the argument, that by writing the most offensive shit that his little pea-sized brain can squeeze out, he is being edgy and challenging "political correctness." of course, its painfully obvious to most thougtful people that he is just a loudmouthed moron who needs any kind of attention that anyone will pay him.

those who actually care about the topic at hand go to other forums, moderated forums, where there are some standards of adult manners and etiquette enforced. people like R.J. end up convincing themselves that they are right, that they "sure showed those pinko fairy lib'ral far-left radicals a thing or two". Meanwhile, vitual passers by get the impression that indymedia is a web site for right-wing nut jobs and bigots, that the indymedia movement is about childish, thoughtless, hateful sloganeering for those who have become disillusioned with Rush Limbaughs drug addiction, serial marriages, and his teaming up with the ACLU.

which is why, again, i ask: why in the world won't stl indymedia adopt some-sort of moderation policy?

R.J. clearly doesnt understand racism, because he doesnt have to, becuase it isnt a day-in day-out obstacle to everything he tries to do. there are no serious consequences for R.J. (that he can identify anyway) if he continues throughout his daily life without understanding racism. it's something that he thinks about when he feels like it, rather than something that he is forced to think about constantly, as it is for people who actually experience actual racism.

so, when i see posts like R.J.s, i feel at once compelled as a white person who gives a shit about fighting actual racism to speak up against this sort of bigotry, and at the same time, totally repulsed by the idea of even dignifying such dime-store garbage with any sort of response.

and i know that anything i post will result in all sorts of petulance thrown at me from people like R.J., because unmoderated free-for-all forums are the only ones that R.J. and his ilk are literate enough to post on, so those sort of forums are completely dominated by those people.
 

More Information Please

I am intrigued by the comments that seafoam made in regards to the concept of Racism,where would I look to learn more about the ideas that were presented?
 

Silising'wi and Seafoam are the same person.

You make valid,articulate points as usual and your writing style identifies you.rock on sili,silising'wi,seafoam,silisea,sea silifoam,... whoever,I am curious if you are male or female and what you do for a living????????just a little info won't hurt a bit.
 

sorry charlie, wrong guess

too many caps should have given it away

i get the feeling that rj posts here under different monikers/pretenses mainly for provocation, possibly an ulterior obligation. having already said that readers shouldn't take him seriously, i see no evidence that he takes what he writes seriously.

and i'm not in favor of having a moderator, though i would like to see the porn spam deleted and anyone who posts hatespeech & serial trolls who contribute nothing substantial blocked.

also - heard a rousing lecture by tim wise preaching 'bout his book "white like me: reflections on race from a privileged son". dude sounds like he's got his shit together.
www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php
www.timwise.org/
 

the problem with *moderated* boards

The problems are with the MODERATED boards. Their moderators are usually rich white liberal whiners who delete anything with which they disagree (ever notice how rich white punks try to infiltrate and control all "radical" movements?) Look at the IMCs in Boston, NY, Portland, or Frisco for examples of bad moderation. I believe Boston has a link to deleted messages with a reason why the moderator deleted the post, but Portland deletes comments, only saving threads in the "compost bin". In the case of Frisco, the mods went so far as referring poster information to the cops!

I agree with silising'wi's strategy of only deleting advertising, high-bandwidth spam, duplicates, or obvious hate posts. When moderating, one must err on the side of allowing too much instead of deleting important material.

I believe a high percentage of posts by people such as silising'wi and Umar would be censored by those East Coast and West Coast IMCs because their moderators don't have the guts to allow strong, politically-correct opinions. God knows a high percentage of my posts would be deleted on those IMCs! Many IMCs delete any post that dares to criticize Israel([search]), so they'd probably delete some of Schaefer's links as well.
 

Re: racism and the problem with unmoderated boards

Of course that should read those IMCs lack the guts to allow strong politically *INCORRECT* opinions.

I suggest the idiots such as RJ find some generic unmoderated political message board if they want an outlet to spew their biased, illogical rants.
 

straight out of COINTELPRO

• This stuff is straight out of COINTELPRO

See:

www.radio4all.org/aia/sec_cointelpro.html

Security Practices and Security Culture

From "COINTELPRO: The Danger We Face"

(snip)

An actual agent will often point the finger at a genuine, non-collaborating and highly valued group member, claiming that he or she is the infiltrator. The same effect, known as a "snitch jacket", has been achieved by planting forged documents . . .

(snip)



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


• For more about forged documents, see:

makeashorterlink.com/
 

Re: moderation,

 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

Eric Buddy!

I sure missed you. Come on, give us some more angry young man rhetoric.
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

Eric B. my friend you are living in a fantasy world.You cannot fight the Police or the Military,at least not on a large scale level.Your comment seems to contradict itself by speaking of attitudes vs actions,but then you threaten police about getting their "arses" kicked.

You can chuck spears at the police all you want,it isn't going to get you anywhere and only bring more hostility down upon Black people.You and your fan Kunta Kinta need to get a realistic perspective or otherwise hitch a ride on a boat to Africa and go live like an animal.
 

racism and the problem with unmoderated boards

i think more to the point, eric, racism is prejudice + social/economic/cultural power. african-americans, as a group, do not hold power over whites, as a group. Racism-power= prejudice. Hence, as a group african-americans can not direct racism at whites, as a group, in the USA. as a group they can only direct prejudice.

of course the problem with the prejudice+power=racism formula of the 1970s is that it doesnt really see racism as an institution in and of itself, absent the intentions of any of those involved. which, to those who have given any sincere thought to the question, it clearly is.

but, your statement is correct that in general african-americans can not be racist against whites.

of course, the problem with unmoderated discussion forums is that, again and again, loudmouthed morons, who have given all of 10 minutes to thinking about the topic at hand, end up dominating the discussion. R.J. is a typical example of this phenomenon. R.J. is totally unafraid to display his utter ignorance to anyone who will listen to him. he has no qualms about showing the world that he is a thoughtless, loutish, moron who thinks that by typing the most words he wins the argument, that by writing the most offensive shit that his little pea-sized brain can squeeze out, he is being edgy and challenging "political correctness." of course, its painfully obvious to most thougtful people that he is just a loudmouthed moron who needs any kind of attention that anyone will pay him.

those who actually care about the topic at hand go to other forums, moderated forums, where there are some standards of adult manners and etiquette enforced. people like R.J. end up convincing themselves that they are right, that they "sure showed those pinko fairy lib'ral far-left radicals a thing or two". Meanwhile, vitual passers by get the impression that indymedia is a web site for right-wing nut jobs and bigots, that the indymedia movement is about childish, thoughtless, hateful sloganeering for those who have become disillusioned with Rush Limbaughs drug addiction, serial marriages, and his teaming up with the ACLU.

which is why, again, i ask: why in the world won't stl indymedia adopt some-sort of moderation policy?

R.J. clearly doesnt understand racism, because he doesnt have to, becuase it isnt a day-in day-out obstacle to everything he tries to do. there are no serious consequences for R.J. (that he can identify anyway) if he continues throughout his daily life without understanding racism. it's something that he thinks about when he feels like it, rather than something that he is forced to think about constantly, as it is for people who actually experience actual racism.

so, when i see posts like R.J.s, i feel at once compelled as a white person who gives a shit about fighting actual racism to speak up against this sort of bigotry, and at the same time, totally repulsed by the idea of even dignifying such dime-store garbage with any sort of response.

and i know that anything i post will result in all sorts of petulance thrown at me from people like R.J., because unmoderated free-for-all forums are the only ones that R.J. and his ilk are literate enough to post on, so those sort of forums are completely dominated by those people.
 

racism and the problem with unmoderated boards

i think more to the point, eric, racism is prejudice + social/economic/cultural power. african-americans, as a group, do not hold power over whites, as a group. Racism-power= prejudice. Hence, as a group african-americans can not direct racism at whites, as a group, in the USA. as a group they can only direct prejudice.

of course the problem with the prejudice+power=racism formula of the 1970s is that it doesnt really see racism as an institution in and of itself, absent the intentions of any of those involved. which, to those who have given any sincere thought to the question, it clearly is.

but, your statement is correct that in general african-americans can not be racist against whites.

of course, the problem with unmoderated discussion forums is that, again and again, loudmouthed morons, who have given all of 10 minutes to thinking about the topic at hand, end up dominating the discussion. R.J. is a typical example of this phenomenon. R.J. is totally unafraid to display his utter ignorance to anyone who will listen to him. he has no qualms about showing the world that he is a thoughtless, loutish, moron who thinks that by typing the most words he wins the argument, that by writing the most offensive shit that his little pea-sized brain can squeeze out, he is being edgy and challenging "political correctness." of course, its painfully obvious to most thougtful people that he is just a loudmouthed moron who needs any kind of attention that anyone will pay him.

those who actually care about the topic at hand go to other forums, moderated forums, where there are some standards of adult manners and etiquette enforced. people like R.J. end up convincing themselves that they are right, that they "sure showed those pinko fairy lib'ral far-left radicals a thing or two". Meanwhile, vitual passers by get the impression that indymedia is a web site for right-wing nut jobs and bigots, that the indymedia movement is about childish, thoughtless, hateful sloganeering for those who have become disillusioned with Rush Limbaughs drug addiction, serial marriages, and his teaming up with the ACLU.

which is why, again, i ask: why in the world won't stl indymedia adopt some-sort of moderation policy?

R.J. clearly doesnt understand racism, because he doesnt have to, becuase it isnt a day-in day-out obstacle to everything he tries to do. there are no serious consequences for R.J. (that he can identify anyway) if he continues throughout his daily life without understanding racism. it's something that he thinks about when he feels like it, rather than something that he is forced to think about constantly, as it is for people who actually experience actual racism.

so, when i see posts like R.J.s, i feel at once compelled as a white person who gives a shit about fighting actual racism to speak up against this sort of bigotry, and at the same time, totally repulsed by the idea of even dignifying such dime-store garbage with any sort of response.

and i know that anything i post will result in all sorts of petulance thrown at me from people like R.J., because unmoderated free-for-all forums are the only ones that R.J. and his ilk are literate enough to post on, so those sort of forums are completely dominated by those people.
 

racism and the problem with unmoderated boards

i think more to the point, racism is prejudice + social/economic/cultural power. african-americans, as a group, do not hold power over whites, as a group. Racism-power= prejudice. Hence, as a group african-americans can not direct racism at whites, as a group, in the USA. as a group they can only direct prejudice.

of course the problem with the prejudice+power=racism formula of the 1970s is that it doesnt really see racism as an institution in and of itself, absent the intentions of any of those involved. which, to those who have given any sincere thought to the question, it clearly is.

but, your statement is correct that in general african-americans can not be racist against whites.

of course, the problem with unmoderated discussion forums is that, again and again, loudmouthed morons, who have given all of 10 minutes to thinking about the topic at hand, end up dominating the discussion. R.J. is a typical example of this phenomenon. R.J. is totally unafraid to display his utter ignorance to anyone who will listen to him. he has no qualms about showing the world that he is a thoughtless, loutish, moron who thinks that by typing the most words he wins the argument, that by writing the most offensive shit that his little pea-sized brain can squeeze out, he is being edgy and challenging "political correctness." of course, its painfully obvious to most thougtful people that he is just a loudmouthed moron who needs any kind of attention that anyone will pay him.

those who actually care about the topic at hand go to other forums, moderated forums, where there are some standards of adult manners and etiquette enforced. people like R.J. end up convincing themselves that they are right, that they "sure showed those pinko fairy lib'ral far-left radicals a thing or two". Meanwhile, vitual passers by get the impression that indymedia is a web site for right-wing nut jobs and bigots, that the indymedia movement is about childish, thoughtless, hateful sloganeering for those who have become disillusioned with Rush Limbaughs drug addiction, serial marriages, and his teaming up with the ACLU.

which is why, again, i ask: why in the world won't stl indymedia adopt some-sort of moderation policy?

R.J. clearly doesnt understand racism, because he doesnt have to, becuase it isnt a day-in day-out obstacle to everything he tries to do. there are no serious consequences for R.J. (that he can identify anyway) if he continues throughout his daily life without understanding racism. it's something that he thinks about when he feels like it, rather than something that he is forced to think about constantly, as it is for people who actually experience actual racism.

so, when i see posts like R.J.s, i feel at once compelled as a white person who gives a shit about fighting actual racism to speak up against this sort of bigotry, and at the same time, totally repulsed by the idea of even dignifying such dime-store garbage with any sort of response.

and i know that anything i post will result in all sorts of petulance thrown at me from people like R.J., because unmoderated free-for-all forums are the only ones that R.J. and his ilk are literate enough to post on, so those sort of forums are completely dominated by those people.
 

Re: Racism goes both ways.

fuckin rt. we should some moon-shine, guns, and have our-selves some hangings
 

PC Madness

"african-americans, as a group, do not hold power over whites"

So blacks are african americans, and European Americans are white...let's try to be consistent.
Using "white" is as racist as using Black for those peopele whose ancestors came here 400 yrs ago, along with whites...
PC people are idiots.
 

this makes absolutely no sense

Using "white" is as racist as using Black for those peopele whose ancestors came here 400 yrs ago, along with whites...

and how is that stmt not a "PC" supposition? anyway, the concept of whiteness was not originated from the ranks of the oppressed. obviously, the pseudonym "Idiot aAlert" was literally a warning.
 

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