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US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
The man apologized and said “you know I’m just back from Iraq and I’m acting a little crazy… in Iraq we can do whatever. You think they put all that shit on the news? Man ask anybody we rape those bitches over there and we take their men and blow their brains out just like that and nobody ever knows.�?
US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
During the course of my job this past Saturday night (September 17, 2005) in St. Louis, MO I ran across a rather interesting group of US soldiers.
The soldiers were part of a wedding party for a fellow soldier whose wedding was held in St. Louis. The wedding reception was held at Club Europe on Washington Avenue in the downtown entertainment district.
I picked up a group of two white males and one Latino male who were dressed to party and they wanted to go Harry’s which is another popular downtown St. Louis party spot. The group was immediately rude and disruptive and within a minute I almost had a physical confrontation with the Latino male who was sitting in the backseat of my car.
The three men were engaged in a conversation about a woman they had just seen. Without being too crude I will just say that the gentleman sitting in the front seat with me was a homosexual, and the two men in the backseat were heterosexual, and the were asking the gay man how was it possible that he could not admire the anatomy of the woman they had just seen. That is when the Latino male looked at me and called me a “fag�? and asked me what I thought. At that point I attempted to remove him from my car but the other two men calmed the situation down.
The man apologized and said “you know I’m just back from Iraq and I’m acting a little crazy… in Iraq we can do whatever. You think they put all that shit on the news? Man ask anybody we rape those bitches over there and we take their men and blow their brains out just like that and nobody ever knows.�?
Not knowing how to respond to that he changed the subject and said “I can’t wait for the race war man. I feel like killin some honkies and some Puerto Ricans. They need to invent a gun that can tell the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican so we can kill all the Puerto Ricans.�?
Then he looked at me and said “You Muslim muthafucka man I should kill your faggot Muslim ass.�? The other two laughed and then the gay soldier sitting next to me said “don’t worry I don’t think he is a Muslim�?. This of course is wrong because I am a Muslim.
At that point I was just ready to get them out of my car and was nervous by the fact that I had my back to the two men in the backseat and wouldn’t be in a good position to defend myself if something jumped off so I tried to make conversation with them and I asked them if they were marines.
“Hell no we are not marines. We are army man, Special Forces. We are the muthafuckas that are over there in Iraq killing people all the time. Man that shit is fun believe me. You don’t think it is fun to just go around shootin muthafuckas and cutting their throats and nobody can do shit? You just don’t know man we are over there having fun but we are stressed.�? The other man in the back seat said.
“In Iraq when you are stressed you can just take out you stress by killing someone. You can go pull your dick out and smack it in some Muslim bitches face but here you just walk around tired and stressed and that’s why I want to go back to Iraq; but I feel like killin someone for real and when I step up in this club with my knife don’t be surprised if I kill a muthafucka.�?
Are these soldiers telling the truth or are they just boasting? Why would they lie about raping women? Who would they impress after all I don’t know anyone who is impressed by a rapist?
What kind of psychological treatment are these men getting after coming home from Iraq? Are they reflective of other soldiers?
What I found more disturbing was the fact that when I shared this news with people they just shrugged it off by saying things like “you know they have a tough job over there�? or “man those guys are under a lot of stress.�?
What kind of logic is that? Accountants, cashiers, taxi drivers, plumbers and cops all have stressful jobs; does that mean they go around raping women to relieve a little stress? Can they slit a few throats when they get bored? Or did people just mean that it is OK to rape Muslim women and kill Muslims? I doubt their comments would have gotten the same response if they were talking about going and raping some white women in Ladue or St. Peters (affluent suburbs of St. Louis).
The lives of many are not valued in this society. We saw that in New Orleans, we see that in the Prison Industrial Complex, and we see that in these young men who themselves are not valued in this society but they carry more value than the Muslims they have raped and killed in the eyes of many in America.
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Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
21 Sep 2005
I recommend sending this to antiwar.com, whatreallyhappened.com, counterpunch.org, etc. They'll probably link to it or repost it. I'd do it for you myself, but I don't have the time.
Fuck the US
13 Nov 2005
their leaders are psychopats.
and the rest are sheep(le) waiting for things to calm down or awaiting their turn to be slaughtered or fed to the enemy
Re: Fuck the US
23 May 2007
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
21 Sep 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
22 Sep 2005
Has the M.S.M. reported this ??
13 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
22 Sep 2005
immature behavior.
taxi driving is a tough job.
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23 Sep 2005
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23 Sep 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
23 Sep 2005
Fact checking not always possible
23 Sep 2005
Check out a web-only feature that the parent company of the local (mainstream) paper Riverfront Time is running about soldiers exchanging for porn grotesque pictures (with captions) of themselves with dead Iraqs:
www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html
Again, given the nature of the source material, no extensive fact-checking is apparent in this story, other than the possibility to identify soldiers' faces photographed. I personally see many similarities in the war-hardened attitudes of the soldiers represented in both of these stories. Not the same as fact-checking, but an ounce more believability.
Don't get out much?
11 Nov 2005
www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/military/iraq/19_30_504_10_04.txt
If Nick & his buddies are knowingly using a weapon of mass destruction on the population of a city and admitting it, if there are over 550,000 registered sex offenders in the USA, and if the number of unregistered sex offenders in the USA is somewhere between 2 to 5 million, then why do you find it hard to accept the statistical certainty that many of the 161,000 US troops in Iraq are engaging in activity such as is described here. Are you one of those people who only believes what you personally witness? If so then you aren't qualified to be in a discussion where it is necessary for you to actually think about what is going on in the world around you, or to even comment about what is going on in the world.
Re: Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
23 May 2007
two questions for you, if you would be so kind
23 May 2007
and, in the interest of understanding your observation WRT "less than average IQ'd individuals believing" "ridiculous stories" "hookline and sinker", what do you believe "we are fighting for over there"?
an honest response would be appreciated. thanks.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
23 Sep 2005
razon
23 Sep 2005
Like when journalists interview people out on the street? Many of them just have a note pad and pencil. Sure they ask for your name but you could make that up if you wanted and they'd be none the wiser.
Get real. Either you believe it or you don't. But we already know that this article is consistent with what's happening in Iraq. It matches the human interest articles from *choke* the mainstream media.
good
02 Nov 2005
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23 Sep 2005
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23 Sep 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
23 Sep 2005
I know Umar personally, and I see no reason why he would want to make this up. He and I were opposed to the war and support an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq regardless of whether we ever heard U$ troops bragging about wanton murder and rape.
As part of my daily interaction with everyday folk, I am frequently tipped off to "newsworthy" facts. I often post them here, though not always under my real name, because I don't want to compromise my role as a conveyor of inside information.
Do I am Umar always "fact check" our stories? How could we? First, a lot of this stuff will be denied by authorities. Second, we have other jobs, and we do not have the time to follow it up. Is it, then, worthless? No.
It may have just been bragging, but, even if it's just that, it goes to show that the U$ military does not always create the most honorable of folk, and we shouldn't unconditionally "support our troops," even though we must "bring [all of] them home."
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
25 Sep 2005
I believe it
13 Nov 2005
Real soldier
13 Nov 2005
One thing
13 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
25 Sep 2005
look at the saturday posting in this blog.
truth-about-iraqis.blogspot.com/
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
26 Sep 2005
Now the mother, who claims she knows whats going on in Iraq because of here son; well I repect your son for his service bet lets get real what mother knows everything her son is doing?
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26 Sep 2005
the article sounded like some ignorant drunks who wanted to spout. there's the quote that says something along the lines of "the quickest way to show your stupidity is to open your mouth." albeit, some of their stories could very well have been true, how many of you have run in to someone who liked to be the shock value of a party (or car ride)? the story may be credible, but the maturity and truth of the men's stories may not.
I guess the moral of the story is -
28 Sep 2005
thats what I learned today on the INDEPENDENT media website
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
28 Sep 2005
As a military veteran myself, I recognize that a lot of soldiers, probably most, don't commit these acts, and that fewer would boast about it. But I have no doubt that this sort of shit goes on often. These assholes were probably inclined to do such behavior before ever entering the military, and no doubt the millieu of the war invites that shit.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
29 Sep 2005
a picture's worth a thousand words...
29 Sep 2005
Judge Orders Release of Abu Ghraib Photos
www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp
A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of "rape and murder" and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were "blatantly sadistic."
U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein ordered the release of certain pictures in a 50-page decision that said terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven they "do not need pretexts for their barbarism."
The ACLU has sought the release of 87 photographs and four videotapes taken at the prison as part of an October 2003 lawsuit demanding information on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody and the transfer of prisoners to countries known to use torture.
...
...reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: "Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men ... . The women were passing messages saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened.'
"Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out."
and let's not let the weekend warriors off the hook either
29 Sep 2005
www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2005/09/29/news/latest_news/6693030a1466f9eb8625708b0068b8f2.txt
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Six in 10 women who have served in the National Guard and Reserves said they were sexually harassed or assaulted, but less than a quarter reported it and many who did were encouraged to drop the complaint, according to a survey released Thursday.
The survey, done by the Department of Veterans Affairs and released by Democratic members of Congress, found that nearly half of the women who responded said the sexual trauma occurred while they were on duty. Fifty-two percent of the cases involving women were verbal harassment and 8 percent involved rape or attempted rape, while the rest were for other types of incidents.
More than 27 percent of male Guard and Reserve veterans said they had experienced some type of sexual harassment or assault -- most often by other men.
The VA surveyed nearly 4,000 men and women who served between 1950-2000
on the judgement in the abu ghraib fotos, there is a twenty-day period for the govt to appeal the release. and the pix have been edited to mask faces.
Re: and let's not let the weekend warriors off the hook either
13 Nov 2005
I don't support American troops and never will, not when they are engaged in illegal wars that spread brutality, not democracy. Anyone who supports American troops at this time, also support the rape, torture and dehumanization of Iraqi children and women. Anyone who supports the War in Iraq is a craven coward with not an ounce of humanity. What's appalling is that these same people are the ones working in $7.00/Hour jobs at K-Mart, barely paying their bills and eating SPAM for dinner. In other words, Middle America trash and BOTTOM FEEDERS. Anyone who wants to look for me can find me in the Bronx, NY. Do any of you cowards have the stones to come to NYC, let alone the Bronx???
recruiters too
29 Sep 2005
abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story
FALLON, NV-September 27, 2005 - An Army recruiter is supposed to try to get people in uniform.
But former recruiter Richard Cory Asher is accused of doing just the opposite. He faces charges of taking nude pictures of high school girls who were interested in joining the military.
He's been bound over for trial after a preliminary hearing in Fallon, Nevada.
Asher was immediately removed from his recruiting position and banned from high schools.
Investigators say they found digital pictures of a 17-year-old girl engaged various sex acts. The girl told investigators she consented to the X-rated photos. But she was underage at the time, so authorities say Asher will face child pornography charges.
Re: recruiters too
02 Apr 2007
...and some words are mere duckspeak
30 Sep 2005
"In every photograph I see from Iraq, there is fear and concern in the eyes of women and children," said Hidayet Sefkatli Tuksal of the Capital City Women's Platform.
Visibly upset, Mrs. Hughes, a close friend and former adviser of President Bush's, fired back.
"I have to respectfully disagree," she said. "It is impossible to say that the plight of women was better under Saddam Hussein. Women were tortured; they had their children tortured in front of them."
www.wpherald.com/storyview.php
"Because we acted, torture rooms are closed, rape rooms no longer exist, mass graves are no longer a possibility in Iraq."—Bush, remarks at "Ask President Bush" event, Michigan, May 3, 2004
slate.msn.com/id/2100014/
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
05 Oct 2005
what a silly thing to say
17 Oct 2005
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05 Oct 2005
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Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
09 Oct 2005
I'm a woman, and I was in the miltray, and I think 60% is a low figure.
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09 Oct 2005
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13 Oct 2005
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16 Oct 2005
Of course, we hear all the time about what a badass Umar is, however, when given the perfect opportunity to take a stand for the oppressed Arabs, he does just what I would expect. Writes an article.
Allahu Akbar Umar. You're a real jihadist.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
17 Oct 2005
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18 Oct 2005
Never Claimed to be a Jihadist?
18 Oct 2005
umarlee.blogspot.com/
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19 Oct 2005
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20 Oct 2005
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20 Oct 2005
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24 Oct 2005
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31 Oct 2005
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06 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
11 Nov 2005
So, why are we supposed to "support our soldiers, bring them home"? Either they will need extensive rehabilitation, or worse, this reflects the society from which they come, in which case, they are just fine and we are all barbarians. And then the question is, why should any immigrant 'assimilate' to such a society.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
11 Nov 2005
Vietnam All Over Again
11 Nov 2005
Often the reason soldiers are stressed is BECAUSE they kill. Ever heard of the spiral of violence? It's like an addict with a drug, more killing/violence leads to more killing/violence.
Why is it difficult to believe that people who kill regularly would start exhibiting severly aberrant behavior? It's happened before. Simply being from the US doesn't make our soldiers less susceptible.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
11 Nov 2005
The ptiy of it is that for 18 years, we teach our beautiful kids to respect life and the beliefs of others, we worry about them, we spend sleepless nights when they are ill, wrorry when they are late, and then the fucking military takes them for 6 wks, and turns all that around - CORRUPTS OUR KIDS - and maims them physically or MENTALLY FOR LIFE.
How the Powers that be must be laughing at us - rolling on the floor laughing to see "Peasants" like us, hunt and lill other "peasants." Same common people like us.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
11 Nov 2005
The ptiy of it is that for 18 years, we teach our beautiful kids to respect life and the beliefs of others, we worry about them, we spend sleepless nights when they are ill, wrorry when they are late, and then the fucking military takes them for 6 wks, and turns all that around - CORRUPTS OUR KIDS - and maims them physically or MENTALLY FOR LIFE.
How the Powers that be must be laughing at us - rolling on the floor laughing to see "Peasants" like us, hunt and kill other "peasants." Same common people like us.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
11 Nov 2005
While soldiers exaggerate, quite a bit, and especially to civilians, I don't think what frightened the guy was the exact comments so much as the attitude - in a country so whipped up by 'support the troops' rhetoric, these overgrown children have a bizarre sense of total entitlement, the high school jockboy mindset taken forward a thousandfold and burned in by the stress of combat.
I pity those boys, sure - but you think about what war turns them into... you want em coming back to YOUR town like that, hmmm ?
This is a big part of why returning veterans get the shaft so bad - a certain percentage of them wind up like these guys, and stigmatize all the rest.
The problem isn't even the soldiers themselves, the greater part of the blame rests with the command staff and negligence in oversight of these troops, because soldiers do what soldiers do, and it's the command staff's job to see how, where and when it is done, and how, when, and where it is NOT done.
As for the driver, it's a hard decision on whether or not to make someone get out of your cab, especially concerning political/social/religous trash-talk - as a professional you really do have to let a lot slide right off your back, the rule of thumb is that if you don't feel they are an immediate threat to your life, just bite your tongue and drop them off.
If you put every nasty, hateful person you run across out of your cab, you'd never make any money.
While due to it's nature one cannot assign direct first-hand credibility to this story, the attitudes expressed are not in doubt at all, spouted and repeated a thousand times over by hate-radio, Ann Clueless, and a hundred other people advocating and expressing such beliefs and opinions... I'd be truly, truly surprised if none of our Armed Services personnel also held those opinions, for such an outpouring of hate requires an audience in order to make profit, so obviously people do listen to it, eagerly.
That's what scares me, really.
-DetCab
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel(
Shukran sidi.
JoeP
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11 Nov 2005
Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel(
Shukran sidi.
JoeP
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
Didn't anyone see Platoon? Of course americans are perfect, platoon was all michael moore propaganda and when kevin dillon cheers on the rape of the little girl, it's not true, just a movie.
Look at the purty colors...the fog of war is so beautiful.
"So I just think that, from the very top, the big problem with this war is that from the very top to the lowest level soldier, everyone's being lied to." Iraq Veteran Jeff Englehart
militaryproject.org/
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
Has anyone ever done a study linking the crime rate in society to returning veterans of 'messy' wars, such as Vietnam. If I remember correctly the crime rate rose in the late 60's to early 70's, then leveled off in the 80's and dropped throughout the 1990's. Not it appears to be rising again. Coincidence?
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11 Nov 2005
Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel(
Shukran sidi.
JoeP
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel(
Shukran sidi.
JoeP
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel(
Shukran sidi.
JoeP
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11 Nov 2005
I doubt that, did the media use facts, when they said Saddam had WMD?
The reason why it isn't reported is because the American people can't handle the truth, and they want to live in their make-belief paradise and it rains cookies and milk duds in their magical fairyland.
The truth is, shit does happend, it and will not be reporated unitl 40 years later.
Look at Vietnam, remember the rape and torture suffered by the villegers? That wasnt reported until 40 years later.
Remeber Pearl Harbor? We actually had advanced knowledge and even sunked a japanese submarine 1 week before they attacked us. Which means they allowed Pearl Harbor to happend.
Just like 9/11.
You'll find out that truth sooner or later.
Remember the WMD? I bet all you red necks actually thought that Saddam actually had them and that power point presentation Powell gave to us showing where the wmds are located and where we need to blow things up. etc.....
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
The lowest common denominator of the American people.
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11 Nov 2005
We should only when we really have to, not to maintain some urban commutors gas guzzling consumerious habit. We need to tighten up and change our ways. Its unfortunate the Islamic culture stuck to their principles of humble living in the face of the corporate-military-zionist complex. We should give some gratitude foster low use technology, export it to them and accept their punishments on the truly guilty (it would be much cheaper than our alternatives and definitely not on subjective laws) rather than squeeze them we are all guilty when one of our boys commits such acts. They are then let loose back home for us to have to pick up the pieces. The SF soldiers do have a higher propensity to domestic violence. Its unfortunate society pours its own blood and more so those outside our "boundries".
We must set a new path, and place limits where they need to be. When everyone is reponsibly recycling, when plug in transportation is sufficient, when the rules of interpersonal stranger crime is punished swiftly, fairly, and econcomically on every level regardless of status.
We will reach our year zero, those who supported and where decieved will stand their judgement just as they have always claimed. Break your bonds reduce your use of fuel, starve the beast follow the guidance of Carter who was right after all. Carter is Vindicated through our present travesty. It is only unfortunate the Iranians chose to honor the true tyrant. The cloud of anger blinded them. The blood of the jews has been paid for enough. Let all the brothers come to the table borne naked as fools they are all around way before the small elite few decide to set the whole world afire on their own accord protected in bunkers whilst the expendables are burned on the hell on earth they chose not to stop.
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11 Nov 2005
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11 Nov 2005
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12 Nov 2005
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12 Nov 2005
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12 Nov 2005
Lots of Denial here, clearly
12 Nov 2005
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12 Nov 2005
When my son married six weeks ago, he had a full military wedding. The young men,who came to the reception, seemed more interested in celebrating being alive..than boasting of what tough killers they were.
I am a Viet Nam vet..a former Naval aviator. In those days I met many young men who were boastful. I have found that the bigger the boast the less anyone really did or saw in a war. "War is hell" and those who know it's inhumanity with to put it behind them.
Real Special Forces fighers are not braggers even when drinking. Real Special Forces are professionals. Yes, and some of it is professional killers.
Our friend driving the cab was more than likely hauling truck drivers,mechanics,or cooks who only knew the Hollywood version of warfare. "REMF" and they were prejudice against a Muslim driving their cab. So,they put on a show. Pick them up 6 months from now and they will be telling the same bragging stories of what they have done in neighborhoods in St Louis.
"Hell is other people". Unfortunately,being in any service business gives you a special glimpse of hell everyday. Our driver saw the hell these young men grew up in and continue to live in.
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12 Nov 2005
When my son married six weeks ago, he had a full military wedding. The young men,who came to the reception, seemed more interested in celebrating being alive..than boasting of what tough killers they were.
I am a Viet Nam vet..a former Naval aviator. In those days I met many young men who were boastful. I have found that the bigger the boast the less anyone really did or saw in a war. "War is hell" and those who know it's inhumanity with to put it behind them.
Real Special Forces fighers are not braggers even when drinking. Real Special Forces are professionals. Yes, and some of it is professional killers.
Our friend driving the cab was more than likely hauling truck drivers,mechanics,or cooks who only knew the Hollywood version of warfare. "REMF" and they were prejudice against a Muslim driving their cab. So,they put on a show. Pick them up 6 months from now and they will be telling the same bragging stories of what they have done in neighborhoods in St Louis.
"Hell is other people". Unfortunately,being in any service business gives you a special glimpse of hell everyday. Our driver saw the hell these young men grew up in and continue to live in.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
That's really a disturbing tale.
Josh Christian
Syracuse
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
The military doesn't recruit the best and the brightest. The vast majority of recruits are those who are willing to follow orders. Most kids who score highest on the ASVAB are crossed off the recruiter's list - or at least they were until the US military became desperate for bodies.
While I met some highly intelligent, ethical and compassionate human beings serving in the military, the vast majority were barely capable of cognitive thought. They didn't have the first clue about the world, wouldn't learn the local language and customs, and almost none had knowledge of their own government, their Constitution, or the history of the United States. If they did, they probably wouldn't be serving in the Armed Forces as cannon fodder for corporate interests.
As for the mother whose son is in the military, do you really believe that letters from your child make you an expert on everything that happens in an organization of several million people? I have friends in the military and I write to many soldiers whom I have never met - and some I could never write back to after their vile and racist verbal attacks against the "enemy" they are "liberating" via acts of genocide. Pull your head out of the sand. The truth is the only thing that can bring your son's colleagues home in one piece. An immediate pullout and recompensation to Iraq from every single piece of ^%$#^# scumbag who profits from the war industry
and every!&*#*! scumbag in government who allowed the illegal wars (Afghanistan, too) is the only thing that will quell the violence in Iraq and bring peace to the planet.
Seriously
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
G.W.Bush is a traitor and a scumbag, and so are his supporters.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
Watch Fallujah- The Hidden Massacre to see not just what the typical American DOES, but what the typical American IS. Shooting children is standard practice for Americans, so why shouldn't we believe they think nothing of rape?
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm
I wish the U.S. would build a huge wall all around the entire country, and no-one would ever be allowed in or out ever again.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
12 Nov 2005
I note that most detractors do not and will not accept that other see this nation in a different light than one of purity.
Personally having been BETRAYED by the nation I served giving them the best years of my life along with 432,000 cohorts in the mid '60s on pay and later loss of our 'EARNED' life-time health care. I can attest to the fact that America espoused a lot of bull..., and if we cannot obtain restitution how does the common resident of an invaded country by a hugh military machine seek any restitution for any wrong?
In short, "The lives of may are not valued in this society." and especially when created by a mercenary military.
Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq
13 Nov 20