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US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

The man apologized and said “you know I’m just back from Iraq and I’m acting a little crazy… in Iraq we can do whatever. You think they put all that shit on the news? Man ask anybody we rape those bitches over there and we take their men and blow their brains out just like that and nobody ever knows.�?
US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

During the course of my job this past Saturday night (September 17, 2005) in St. Louis, MO I ran across a rather interesting group of US soldiers.

The soldiers were part of a wedding party for a fellow soldier whose wedding was held in St. Louis. The wedding reception was held at Club Europe on Washington Avenue in the downtown entertainment district.

I picked up a group of two white males and one Latino male who were dressed to party and they wanted to go Harry’s which is another popular downtown St. Louis party spot. The group was immediately rude and disruptive and within a minute I almost had a physical confrontation with the Latino male who was sitting in the backseat of my car.

The three men were engaged in a conversation about a woman they had just seen. Without being too crude I will just say that the gentleman sitting in the front seat with me was a homosexual, and the two men in the backseat were heterosexual, and the were asking the gay man how was it possible that he could not admire the anatomy of the woman they had just seen. That is when the Latino male looked at me and called me a “fag�? and asked me what I thought. At that point I attempted to remove him from my car but the other two men calmed the situation down.

The man apologized and said “you know I’m just back from Iraq and I’m acting a little crazy… in Iraq we can do whatever. You think they put all that shit on the news? Man ask anybody we rape those bitches over there and we take their men and blow their brains out just like that and nobody ever knows.�?

Not knowing how to respond to that he changed the subject and said “I can’t wait for the race war man. I feel like killin some honkies and some Puerto Ricans. They need to invent a gun that can tell the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican so we can kill all the Puerto Ricans.�?

Then he looked at me and said “You Muslim muthafucka man I should kill your faggot Muslim ass.�? The other two laughed and then the gay soldier sitting next to me said “don’t worry I don’t think he is a Muslim�?. This of course is wrong because I am a Muslim.

At that point I was just ready to get them out of my car and was nervous by the fact that I had my back to the two men in the backseat and wouldn’t be in a good position to defend myself if something jumped off so I tried to make conversation with them and I asked them if they were marines.

“Hell no we are not marines. We are army man, Special Forces. We are the muthafuckas that are over there in Iraq killing people all the time. Man that shit is fun believe me. You don’t think it is fun to just go around shootin muthafuckas and cutting their throats and nobody can do shit? You just don’t know man we are over there having fun but we are stressed.�? The other man in the back seat said.

“In Iraq when you are stressed you can just take out you stress by killing someone. You can go pull your dick out and smack it in some Muslim bitches face but here you just walk around tired and stressed and that’s why I want to go back to Iraq; but I feel like killin someone for real and when I step up in this club with my knife don’t be surprised if I kill a muthafucka.�?

Are these soldiers telling the truth or are they just boasting? Why would they lie about raping women? Who would they impress after all I don’t know anyone who is impressed by a rapist?

What kind of psychological treatment are these men getting after coming home from Iraq? Are they reflective of other soldiers?

What I found more disturbing was the fact that when I shared this news with people they just shrugged it off by saying things like “you know they have a tough job over there�? or “man those guys are under a lot of stress.�?

What kind of logic is that? Accountants, cashiers, taxi drivers, plumbers and cops all have stressful jobs; does that mean they go around raping women to relieve a little stress? Can they slit a few throats when they get bored? Or did people just mean that it is OK to rape Muslim women and kill Muslims? I doubt their comments would have gotten the same response if they were talking about going and raping some white women in Ladue or St. Peters (affluent suburbs of St. Louis).

The lives of many are not valued in this society. We saw that in New Orleans, we see that in the Prison Industrial Complex, and we see that in these young men who themselves are not valued in this society but they carry more value than the Muslims they have raped and killed in the eyes of many in America.
 
 

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Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

grassroots news the corporate media won't cover! Don't hate the media, become the media!

I recommend sending this to antiwar.com, whatreallyhappened.com, counterpunch.org, etc. They'll probably link to it or repost it. I'd do it for you myself, but I don't have the time.
 

Fuck the US

You konow, in a war dehumanizing your enemy is necessary to be able to harm (kill, torture, rape) your victim. People in the army are usual a selected bunch of cluster C (anxious, dependent, obsessive, and antisocial) personality disorderers. Then you have to regard their low IQ and the lack of possibilty to develop in a "normal" society and there is the mix for their sick behaviour.

their leaders are psychopats.

and the rest are sheep(le) waiting for things to calm down or awaiting their turn to be slaughtered or fed to the enemy
 

Re: Fuck the US

Don't say Fuck the US....!! You have the right's to hide behind your computer and write your incorrectly spelled words bashing the system that protects your sorry ass to do so. You don't like what's going on? Well guess what, that is part of war. There are people being killed and raped everywhere everyday and it's in our own country as well. This is a humanistic problem, not a US or Soldier issue. You don't like the US, get out!!!!!!!!!!! And on behalf of the US Armed Forces, FUCK YOU!!!
 

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I would have made them get out of the car. Preferably somewhere dangerous.
 

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Has any of this been verified to be the truth. This is just one more reason not to trust the main stream media. They don't report the news or even do investigative reporting.They just like to throw fire bombs and call it news.
 

Has the M.S.M. reported this ??

HAs this been reported by the Main Stream Media ???
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

bragging.

immature behavior.

taxi driving is a tough job.
 

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If this was true the driver should've dropped them off in Brooklyn, Ill. or East STL.
 

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Why would men talk about killing honkies? Or , it it was the latino, why would he talk about killing honkies with caucasians in the car?This seems like unnics bragging about the size of their penises.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

This stuff doesn't make the "mainstream" news because of a little thing called fact checking..You see, Umar ben-Ivan lee could, and my guess he probably is, making this whole account up...how can we tell if he isn't? Any recordings of the conversation? Names of the "soldiers" so someone else can follow up? Again my guess would be no on both counts. So you see kids, what you have here is a story. True? False? Who knows. I could do the same thing. Gues what, I opened a door at the PETA offices and saw anti-war activists doing unmentionable things to puppies. Prove it untrue.
 

Fact checking not always possible

Fact checking can't always be done.
While true that checking facts of a story is the best way to add credibility to any story, whether in a journalistic venue or otherwise, what if the nature of the story makes fact-checking impossible? What if the men this taxi driver picked up refused to identify themselves? Indeed I'd expect they'd refuse, so as not to imcriminate themselves. Does that automatically make this story untrue and worth ignoring? US soldiers returning from Vietnam told many similar stories of their misconduct and outright brutal behavior while on tour, so why should rumors of such acts by soldiers in Iraq seem surprising? War is hell, no matter how gingerly the military tries to conduct it or shield its soldiers from it, so events like these are a foregone conclusion.

Check out a web-only feature that the parent company of the local (mainstream) paper Riverfront Time is running about soldiers exchanging for porn grotesque pictures (with captions) of themselves with dead Iraqs:

www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html

Again, given the nature of the source material, no extensive fact-checking is apparent in this story, other than the possibility to identify soldiers' faces photographed. I personally see many similarities in the war-hardened attitudes of the soldiers represented in both of these stories. Not the same as fact-checking, but an ounce more believability.
 

Don't get out much?

"It's a war," said Cpl. Nicholas Bogert, 22, of Morris, NY. Bogert is a mortar team leader who directed his men to fire round after round of high explosives and white phosphorus charges into the city Friday and Saturday, never knowing what the targets were or what damage the resulting explosions caused. They say they have never seen what they've hit, nor did they talk about it as they dusted off their breakfast and continued their hilarious routine of personal insults and name-calling.

www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/military/iraq/19_30_504_10_04.txt

If Nick & his buddies are knowingly using a weapon of mass destruction on the population of a city and admitting it, if there are over 550,000 registered sex offenders in the USA, and if the number of unregistered sex offenders in the USA is somewhere between 2 to 5 million, then why do you find it hard to accept the statistical certainty that many of the 161,000 US troops in Iraq are engaging in activity such as is described here. Are you one of those people who only believes what you personally witness? If so then you aren't qualified to be in a discussion where it is necessary for you to actually think about what is going on in the world around you, or to even comment about what is going on in the world.
 

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Ha!!! Great point and VERY true. What continues this country to be in turmoil are the ridiculous stories that circulate and then the less than average IQ'd individuals believing it hookline and sinker. Get your head out of your ass America and remember what we are fighting for over there. Granted, there are probably some bad guys doing bad things but that is relevent and evident in our own neighborhoods here. At least those guys are doing something meanwhile and not selling dope or turning tricks starting gang fights or setting bombs.
 

two questions for you, if you would be so kind

are you seriously equating "some bad guys doing bad things" as part of the occupying forces in an illegal invasion & aggession against what was the sovereign nation of iraq w/ "some bad guys doing bad things" "in our own neighborhoods here"?

and, in the interest of understanding your observation WRT "less than average IQ'd individuals believing" "ridiculous stories" "hookline and sinker", what do you believe "we are fighting for over there"?

an honest response would be appreciated. thanks.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

This stuff doesn't make the "mainstream" news because of a little thing called fact checking..You see, Umar ben-Ivan lee could, and my guess he probably is, making this whole account up...how can we tell if he isn't? Any recordings of the conversation? Names of the "soldiers" so someone else can follow up? Again my guess would be no on both counts. So you see kids, what you have here is a story. True? False? Who knows. I could do the same thing. Gues what, I opened a door at the PETA offices and saw anti-war activists doing unmentionable things to puppies. Prove it untrue.
 

razon

Fact checking in the mainstream media? HA!
Fact checking in the mainstream media? Like when the NY Times published that Iraq had tubes that were simply perfect to use for refining weapons grade uranium? Gimmee a break, buddy. The rest of the media had to bust that, and it only took a bit, because it was easy to fact check.

Like when journalists interview people out on the street? Many of them just have a note pad and pencil. Sure they ask for your name but you could make that up if you wanted and they'd be none the wiser.

Get real. Either you believe it or you don't. But we already know that this article is consistent with what's happening in Iraq. It matches the human interest articles from *choke* the mainstream media.
 

good

I like this blog!
 

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i give this piece low credibility
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Hmm would you think its more important to believe the mainstream media, or this article? I've talked to many Vetrans old and young, and they express similar sentiment. Killing people (if you've ever done it) does very bad things to your brain, whether you're trained for it or not, whether you justify it or not. Most of these soldiers are just highschool graduates that were destined for a violent exsistance and mostly of violent nature and born in and raised in a rape culture. I think the psychological environment in which most non-free(critical)-thinking individuals in the U$A is VERY condusive to the acts that they were mentioning.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

It goes without saying that we are all free to believe or disbelieve anything we receive 1st/2nd/3rd hand.

I know Umar personally, and I see no reason why he would want to make this up. He and I were opposed to the war and support an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq regardless of whether we ever heard U$ troops bragging about wanton murder and rape.

As part of my daily interaction with everyday folk, I am frequently tipped off to "newsworthy" facts. I often post them here, though not always under my real name, because I don't want to compromise my role as a conveyor of inside information.

Do I am Umar always "fact check" our stories? How could we? First, a lot of this stuff will be denied by authorities. Second, we have other jobs, and we do not have the time to follow it up. Is it, then, worthless? No.

It may have just been bragging, but, even if it's just that, it goes to show that the U$ military does not always create the most honorable of folk, and we shouldn't unconditionally "support our troops," even though we must "bring [all of] them home."
 

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i think you should have verified if this was from a REAL soldier. i do not believe this article as i am the mother of a soldier and i KNOW what goes on in iraq. the army is like any other group it has all sorts of people in it. this article is an abberation
 

I believe it

I happen to know a few that just came back from Iraq, and talked to me of some of their fellow soldiers committing much the same acts, and only getting verbal warnings for it.
 

Real soldier

It's already bad that someone has the rotten mind to think of the situation, leave the fact that things like this are known to happen (in every war!)
 

One thing

Not to start a fight but if this sort of thing is happening in Iraq (and I don't doubt that it is 'cause it seems to happen in all wars) I don't think this is something a soldier shares with his or her mother.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

unfortunately, the sorts of people who seem to make up a good part of the army are these sorts of "abberations."

look at the saturday posting in this blog.

truth-about-iraqis.blogspot.com/
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

The article is based on someones personal expereince and is not the same as a report that needs to be held to journalistic standards. It is the same as what you read on blogs or hear on call in shows.

Now the mother, who claims she knows whats going on in Iraq because of here son; well I repect your son for his service bet lets get real what mother knows everything her son is doing?
 

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i agree.
the article sounded like some ignorant drunks who wanted to spout. there's the quote that says something along the lines of "the quickest way to show your stupidity is to open your mouth." albeit, some of their stories could very well have been true, how many of you have run in to someone who liked to be the shock value of a party (or car ride)? the story may be credible, but the maturity and truth of the men's stories may not.
 

I guess the moral of the story is -

we should never trust each other, especially cab drivers, and only believe what the corporate media has to say.
thats what I learned today on the INDEPENDENT media website
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Regarding the mother who doubts this story and says she goes on in Iraq, because after all her son is in the army and would never do such things, Umar never claimed that all soldiers rape Iraqi women and mock the men. He says that these alleged soldiers were bragging about doing such things themselves. I believe that Umar's recounting an actual conversation. Whether these young men were telling the truth is an open question in my eyes. They might very well have been, but regardless they revealed the ignorance of their character.

As a military veteran myself, I recognize that a lot of soldiers, probably most, don't commit these acts, and that fewer would boast about it. But I have no doubt that this sort of shit goes on often. These assholes were probably inclined to do such behavior before ever entering the military, and no doubt the millieu of the war invites that shit.
 

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I've been there and it is pretty F'd up but I think these guys were just a bunch of POGs talking a big game. Don't get me wrong there are some horrible things going on there but these guy are full of crap. You wouldn't hear stuff like that Marines. The USMC would never allow that stuff to happen or their Marines to treat folks here in the states like that. As a member of the Military I would like to apologize to you for the actions of these Army pukes. There are some good Army folks over there too.
 

a picture's worth a thousand words...

dod may be able to bury the nowthatsfuckedup war porn trafficking, but they won't be able to spin away the rape photos of little boys being sodomized in front of their parents to either gather humint or drain the sea.

Judge Orders Release of Abu Ghraib Photos
www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp

A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of "rape and murder" and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were "blatantly sadistic."

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein ordered the release of certain pictures in a 50-page decision that said terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven they "do not need pretexts for their barbarism."

The ACLU has sought the release of 87 photographs and four videotapes taken at the prison as part of an October 2003 lawsuit demanding information on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody and the transfer of prisoners to countries known to use torture.
...
...reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: "Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men ... . The women were passing messages saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened.'

"Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out."
 

and let's not let the weekend warriors off the hook either

Survey: 60 percent of National Guard and Reserve female veterans say they were sexually harassed
www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2005/09/29/news/latest_news/6693030a1466f9eb8625708b0068b8f2.txt

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Six in 10 women who have served in the National Guard and Reserves said they were sexually harassed or assaulted, but less than a quarter reported it and many who did were encouraged to drop the complaint, according to a survey released Thursday.

The survey, done by the Department of Veterans Affairs and released by Democratic members of Congress, found that nearly half of the women who responded said the sexual trauma occurred while they were on duty. Fifty-two percent of the cases involving women were verbal harassment and 8 percent involved rape or attempted rape, while the rest were for other types of incidents.

More than 27 percent of male Guard and Reserve veterans said they had experienced some type of sexual harassment or assault -- most often by other men.

The VA surveyed nearly 4,000 men and women who served between 1950-2000



on the judgement in the abu ghraib fotos, there is a twenty-day period for the govt to appeal the release. and the pix have been edited to mask faces.
 

Re: and let's not let the weekend warriors off the hook either

The sad thing is that there are so many "patriotic Americans" who are aware that these types of things take place in the military and shrug it off with indifference. We live in a country that does not value the lives of its own citizens, so how in the hell can we honestly expect it to respect or value the lives of people in other countries?
I don't support American troops and never will, not when they are engaged in illegal wars that spread brutality, not democracy. Anyone who supports American troops at this time, also support the rape, torture and dehumanization of Iraqi children and women. Anyone who supports the War in Iraq is a craven coward with not an ounce of humanity. What's appalling is that these same people are the ones working in $7.00/Hour jobs at K-Mart, barely paying their bills and eating SPAM for dinner. In other words, Middle America trash and BOTTOM FEEDERS. Anyone who wants to look for me can find me in the Bronx, NY. Do any of you cowards have the stones to come to NYC, let alone the Bronx???
 
Reply: I AGREE CARL / 13 Nov 2005

recruiters too

Army Recruiter Charged in Nude Photo Case
abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story

FALLON, NV-September 27, 2005 - An Army recruiter is supposed to try to get people in uniform.
But former recruiter Richard Cory Asher is accused of doing just the opposite. He faces charges of taking nude pictures of high school girls who were interested in joining the military.

He's been bound over for trial after a preliminary hearing in Fallon, Nevada.

Asher was immediately removed from his recruiting position and banned from high schools.

Investigators say they found digital pictures of a 17-year-old girl engaged various sex acts. The girl told investigators she consented to the X-rated photos. But she was underage at the time, so authorities say Asher will face child pornography charges.
 

Re: recruiters too

Do your research before being an asshole. I am the 17 year old, and I MARRIED that man. We are expecting a child in october, not to mention the fact that he doesn't have a single mark on his record. He has been defending this country for 17 years and has been to combat 3 times. There are plenty of sick criminals out there, and they get lesser punishment than he is looking at. How is THAT justice? I am making a ruckus now, and I will make an even bigger one if my husband goees to prison and misses out on his son's or daughter's life because of some jack-ass mormon DA. Yeah, I said it, because I've met this guy, and he really is a jack ass. I walked into his office, still 17, and he just could NOT take hi eyes off my chest. At least my husband has the courtesy to look me in the eyes when he is talking to me. He is a good man and an amazing husband, and anyone who thinks otherwise can kiss my ass! Get your facts right. There was one sex act depicted, and I wasn't the naked one. You can't always trust the media, or the police for that matter. You know what the responding officer said? No crime was committed. So how is it that they can still try him in court if there was no fucking crime?! Justice? Our "justice" system is a joke.
 

...and some words are mere duckspeak

During a discussion with members of women's nongovernmental organizations in Turkey's capital, Ankara, Mrs. Hughes was challenged with accusations that the U.S.-led war that ousted Saddam Hussein has erased women's rights and made their lives miserable.

"In every photograph I see from Iraq, there is fear and concern in the eyes of women and children," said Hidayet Sefkatli Tuksal of the Capital City Women's Platform.

Visibly upset, Mrs. Hughes, a close friend and former adviser of President Bush's, fired back.

"I have to respectfully disagree," she said. "It is impossible to say that the plight of women was better under Saddam Hussein. Women were tortured; they had their children tortured in front of them."
www.wpherald.com/storyview.php


"Because we acted, torture rooms are closed, rape rooms no longer exist, mass graves are no longer a possibility in Iraq."—Bush, remarks at "Ask President Bush" event, Michigan, May 3, 2004
slate.msn.com/id/2100014/
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Yeah, Umar and Schaefer don't have an agenda.
 

what a silly thing to say

give us an example of anyone who doesn't speak w/o an agenda - it cannot be done. for instance, your agenda behind the snark was to somehow discredit anything that the two you mention put forth, though it give readers the impression that you are quite stupid. perhaps you should rethink your own agenda.
 

recommended series

 

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"Survey: 60 percent of National Guard and Reserve female veterans say they were sexually harassed"

I'm a woman, and I was in the miltray, and I think 60% is a low figure.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Sorry for the typo - that should be "military".
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Yes, Umar and I have agendas, but the evidence is so abundant that we have no reason to invent more.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Let's see. Some drunken guys (allegedly soldiers but I haven't seen any proof of it) get in a cab. They look at the cabbie's ID, see a wannabe Arab name and decide to have some fun with the cab driver.

Of course, we hear all the time about what a badass Umar is, however, when given the perfect opportunity to take a stand for the oppressed Arabs, he does just what I would expect. Writes an article.

Allahu Akbar Umar. You're a real jihadist.
 

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What are the chances of me getting a fair shake at the court house if I did put in work? The only thing I would have done is lose my job. Of course a lot of people are taking stands; like that courageous stand agsint a 64 year old man in NO! Real tough guys. Or for that matter; why dont you be tough with the Catholic priests in St. Louis Hills who are fucking your sons up the ass?
 

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What an idiot...I never claimed to be a jihadist...you are watching too much Fox News
 

Never Claimed to be a Jihadist?

Unless I missed by guess, a blogspot entitled "Jihad of Umar" makes you a liar also. Is it against the Muslim faith to lie to the infidels? Ask Umar at

umarlee.blogspot.com/
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

The word Jihad has nothing to do with being a Jihadist. Jihad of Umar means the struggle of Umar. Stop watching Fox News.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Jihad of Umar means the Struggle of Umar. It has nothing to do with being a Jihadist. Maybe you need to learn how to think before writing.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

I think Umar is a made up name.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Could be one of those jailhouse conversions
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

The events described Umar ben-Ivan lee do not suprise me in the least. Like someone else commented, there were many storie about similar things happening in Vietnam. We've all see for ourselves the horrible photos from U.S. prisons around the world. All of this hit a little closer to home after Hurrican Katrina. I was surprised by the comments a fellow classmate made after he was called up for duty after the hurricane. He was discussing being called up with a third classmate before class started. The other classmate asked " Are you going to Iraq or New Orleans." and the Soldier classmate responded by saying, " I hope I 'm going back to Iraq so I can annihilate those Motherfuckers again." What kind of brain washing have these people been put through to want to go kill someone half way across the world who they don't even know, before they would want to go help their own suffering people? War does nasty things to people this has never been a secret. Peace
 

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this story sounds like total bullshit, most likely a complete fabrication of an event, or it never happened at all.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Soldiers may claim they murder because they are afraid (no excuse), but rape in this context becomes even worse as it is a premeditated act never arising out of fear.
So, why are we supposed to "support our soldiers, bring them home"? Either they will need extensive rehabilitation, or worse, this reflects the society from which they come, in which case, they are just fine and we are all barbarians. And then the question is, why should any immigrant 'assimilate' to such a society.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Given the actual accounts we have heard from soldiers who kill, who believe and declare that all Iraqis are their enemies, this is entirely believable. If we kid ourselves into thinking it is fabricated, we lose, once again.
 

Vietnam All Over Again

How many times will history reapeat? There will always be people who refuse to believe anything bad about the US military. Because it's "ours" and not "theirs"?

Often the reason soldiers are stressed is BECAUSE they kill. Ever heard of the spiral of violence? It's like an addict with a drug, more killing/violence leads to more killing/violence.

Why is it difficult to believe that people who kill regularly would start exhibiting severly aberrant behavior? It's happened before. Simply being from the US doesn't make our soldiers less susceptible.
 

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The men were telling the truth. This goes on all the time. You think it's all vague, or all rumors and can't believe it because you are a moral person. But all stops are pulled in war. What! Are you suprised that little american kid soldiers do this? Man, soldiers have been doing it since time immemorial.

The ptiy of it is that for 18 years, we teach our beautiful kids to respect life and the beliefs of others, we worry about them, we spend sleepless nights when they are ill, wrorry when they are late, and then the fucking military takes them for 6 wks, and turns all that around - CORRUPTS OUR KIDS - and maims them physically or MENTALLY FOR LIFE.

How the Powers that be must be laughing at us - rolling on the floor laughing to see "Peasants" like us, hunt and lill other "peasants." Same common people like us.
 

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The men were telling the truth. This goes on all the time. You think it's all vague, or all rumors and can't believe it because you are a moral person. But all stops are pulled in war. What! Are you suprised that little american kid soldiers do this? Man, soldiers have been doing it since time immemorial.

The ptiy of it is that for 18 years, we teach our beautiful kids to respect life and the beliefs of others, we worry about them, we spend sleepless nights when they are ill, wrorry when they are late, and then the fucking military takes them for 6 wks, and turns all that around - CORRUPTS OUR KIDS - and maims them physically or MENTALLY FOR LIFE.

How the Powers that be must be laughing at us - rolling on the floor laughing to see "Peasants" like us, hunt and kill other "peasants." Same common people like us.
 

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I drive a cab, a long time ago, I was a soldier.

While soldiers exaggerate, quite a bit, and especially to civilians, I don't think what frightened the guy was the exact comments so much as the attitude - in a country so whipped up by 'support the troops' rhetoric, these overgrown children have a bizarre sense of total entitlement, the high school jockboy mindset taken forward a thousandfold and burned in by the stress of combat.

I pity those boys, sure - but you think about what war turns them into... you want em coming back to YOUR town like that, hmmm ?

This is a big part of why returning veterans get the shaft so bad - a certain percentage of them wind up like these guys, and stigmatize all the rest.

The problem isn't even the soldiers themselves, the greater part of the blame rests with the command staff and negligence in oversight of these troops, because soldiers do what soldiers do, and it's the command staff's job to see how, where and when it is done, and how, when, and where it is NOT done.

As for the driver, it's a hard decision on whether or not to make someone get out of your cab, especially concerning political/social/religous trash-talk - as a professional you really do have to let a lot slide right off your back, the rule of thumb is that if you don't feel they are an immediate threat to your life, just bite your tongue and drop them off.

If you put every nasty, hateful person you run across out of your cab, you'd never make any money.

While due to it's nature one cannot assign direct first-hand credibility to this story, the attitudes expressed are not in doubt at all, spouted and repeated a thousand times over by hate-radio, Ann Clueless, and a hundred other people advocating and expressing such beliefs and opinions... I'd be truly, truly surprised if none of our Armed Services personnel also held those opinions, for such an outpouring of hate requires an audience in order to make profit, so obviously people do listen to it, eagerly.

That's what scares me, really.

-DetCab
 

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their mouths run to much not the forces maybe crutes just going to iraq scared shitless
 

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Support the troops...my ass! Fuck the troops, they are just another tool for the elite, and any soldier with a sense of morality has already objected to this war by refusing to participate.
 

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As an acvite-duty member of 27+ years, I'm both proud and ashamed of the behavior of some of us -- though there is definitively more to proud of. There's good and bad in everything and that's what we have w/ the present 'war on scarerism.'

Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel([search]) or Palestine([search]), so the 180-degree rule is in order: if the western news says it's light, then it's more than likely dark -- just go w/ the opposite.

Shukran sidi.

JoeP
 

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As an acvite-duty member of 27+ years, I'm both proud and ashamed of the behavior of some of us -- though there is definitively more to proud of. There's good and bad in everything and that's what we have w/ the present 'war on scarerism.'

Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel([search]) or Palestine([search]), so the 180-degree rule is in order: if the western news says it's light, then it's more than likely dark -- just go w/ the opposite.

Shukran sidi.

JoeP
 

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I was in the army and i can tell you this, every asshole in the army says they are SF troops and killers. i remember one guy i was in the VA hospital with who claimed he was a combat vet and was in for combat related injuries the stories this guy told about him raping and killing were numerous....come to find out he was in to get hemmroids removed from his ass because he sat at his desk all day...special forces..YA RIGHT!!!
 

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Didn't anyone see Platoon? Of course americans are perfect, platoon was all michael moore propaganda and when kevin dillon cheers on the rape of the little girl, it's not true, just a movie.

Look at the purty colors...the fog of war is so beautiful.

"So I just think that, from the very top, the big problem with this war is that from the very top to the lowest level soldier, everyone's being lied to." Iraq Veteran Jeff Englehart

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now you can understand why the resistance takes every chance it can to kill bush soldiers. If you dont like the resistance end the occupation. As for fact checking, how about the msm telling lies about yellow cakes, fake wmb in iraq... I dont need to go on.
 

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now you can understand why the resistance takes every chance it can to kill bush soldiers. If you dont like the resistance end the occupation. As for fact checking, how about the msm telling lies about yellow cakes, fake wmb in iraq... I dont need to go on.
 

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There's been plenty of 'fact checking' on this type of behavior in Iraq. Read the foreign press, for Christ's sake ...they've been reporting on this stuff from the outset.

Has anyone ever done a study linking the crime rate in society to returning veterans of 'messy' wars, such as Vietnam. If I remember correctly the crime rate rose in the late 60's to early 70's, then leveled off in the 80's and dropped throughout the 1990's. Not it appears to be rising again. Coincidence?
 

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As an acvite-duty member of 27+ years, I'm both proud and ashamed of the behavior of some of us -- though there is definitively more to proud of. There's good and bad in everything and that's what we have w/ the present 'war on scarerism.'

Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel([search]) or Palestine([search]), so the 180-degree rule is in order: if the western news says it's light, then it's more than likely dark -- just go w/ the opposite.

Shukran sidi.

JoeP
 

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This is the sickness that George W Bush and the other War Criminals have released with the Iraq invasion. It is our job to STOP THE IRAQ WAR & BRING OUR TROOPS HOME !
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FUCK the troops. By this point, anyone who's willing to stay in Iraq can get their brains blown out, for all I care. Jingoistic, chauvanistic, neanderthal psuedo-patriot morons. I'm not sorry for the troops any more. Occupiers deserve destruction.
 

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As an acvite-duty member of 27+ years, I'm both proud and ashamed of the behavior of some of us -- though there is definitively more to proud of. There's good and bad in everything and that's what we have w/ the present 'war on scarerism.'

Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel([search]) or Palestine([search]), so the 180-degree rule is in order: if the western news says it's light, then it's more than likely dark -- just go w/ the opposite.

Shukran sidi.

JoeP
 

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Those guys in the back of the cab were hallucinating and probably needed a shot of army food to bring them back to reality.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

As an acvite-duty member of 27+ years, I'm both proud and ashamed of the behavior of some of us -- though there is definitively more to proud of. There's good and bad in everything and that's what we have w/ the present 'war on scarerism.'

Having lived for several years in Jordan and Beirut (both gorgeous countries and gorgeouosly-friendly peoples), I believe Umar 100 percent. I've heard the most moronic statements coming out of Americans, both military and civilians vis-a-vis Arabs, Muslims, etc. Now that ignorance is the most incredible, but Americans have been brainwashed to think badly of Arabs, especially Palestinians (2/3rd of Jordan is populated with Palestinians). Also spent much time in TA (Tel Aviv) -- the truth NEVER makes it out of there or from anywhere in Israel([search]) or Palestine([search]), so the 180-degree rule is in order: if the western news says it's light, then it's more than likely dark -- just go w/ the opposite.

Shukran sidi.

JoeP
 

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This doesn't hit the news becuase of something called fact checking?

I doubt that, did the media use facts, when they said Saddam had WMD?

The reason why it isn't reported is because the American people can't handle the truth, and they want to live in their make-belief paradise and it rains cookies and milk duds in their magical fairyland.

The truth is, shit does happend, it and will not be reporated unitl 40 years later.

Look at Vietnam, remember the rape and torture suffered by the villegers? That wasnt reported until 40 years later.

Remeber Pearl Harbor? We actually had advanced knowledge and even sunked a japanese submarine 1 week before they attacked us. Which means they allowed Pearl Harbor to happend.

Just like 9/11.

You'll find out that truth sooner or later.

Remember the WMD? I bet all you red necks actually thought that Saddam actually had them and that power point presentation Powell gave to us showing where the wmds are located and where we need to blow things up. etc.....
 

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This is ALSO happening in the Occupied Palestinian Territories where iSRAELIS are committing atrocities against a civilian population whom they call "terrorists." http://www.israel([search])-state-terrorism.org http://www.vtjp.org/images/care4.jpg http://www.deathmasters.com http://www.thewe.cc/contents/archive/atrocities.htm http://crisispictures.org/essays/2005/01/crisis-in-gaza([search]).htm PALESTINIAN FORCED TO DRINK HIS OWN URINE http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6912.htm PALESTINIAN FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS DONKEY http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=9475 iSRAELI TROOPS STRIP A PALESTINIAN NAKED, CRAWL ON ALL FOURS and BARK LIKE A DOG, WHILE THEY POINT THEIR AK-47's AT HIM A LAUGH. http://www.Btselem.org ...Testimonies.. August 6, 2003 PALESTINIAN STRIPED NAKED FORCED TO STAND FOR HOURS IN THE RAIN AND SUN, SPRAYED IN THEIR FACES WITH THEIR OWN URINE...FORCED TO DANCE WHILE iOF SOLDIERS LAUGHED and ENTERTAINED THEMSELVES http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_17939.shtml WAKE UP and SMELL THE UGLY TRUTH, Folks !!!
 

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Sounds like two typical cowards who belong in prison, maybe somebody in there would smack that little rapist fuckface with a cock, see how he likes it.
The lowest common denominator of the American people.
 

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Our society does not need to screetch to a halt like a burned up hard drive. I don't doubt any of this. What do we get when we give a bunch of kids the ultimate in people killing equipment and send them on their way into some human beings backyard?

We should only when we really have to, not to maintain some urban commutors gas guzzling consumerious habit. We need to tighten up and change our ways. Its unfortunate the Islamic culture stuck to their principles of humble living in the face of the corporate-military-zionist complex. We should give some gratitude foster low use technology, export it to them and accept their punishments on the truly guilty (it would be much cheaper than our alternatives and definitely not on subjective laws) rather than squeeze them we are all guilty when one of our boys commits such acts. They are then let loose back home for us to have to pick up the pieces. The SF soldiers do have a higher propensity to domestic violence. Its unfortunate society pours its own blood and more so those outside our "boundries".

We must set a new path, and place limits where they need to be. When everyone is reponsibly recycling, when plug in transportation is sufficient, when the rules of interpersonal stranger crime is punished swiftly, fairly, and econcomically on every level regardless of status.

We will reach our year zero, those who supported and where decieved will stand their judgement just as they have always claimed. Break your bonds reduce your use of fuel, starve the beast follow the guidance of Carter who was right after all. Carter is Vindicated through our present travesty. It is only unfortunate the Iranians chose to honor the true tyrant. The cloud of anger blinded them. The blood of the jews has been paid for enough. Let all the brothers come to the table borne naked as fools they are all around way before the small elite few decide to set the whole world afire on their own accord protected in bunkers whilst the expendables are burned on the hell on earth they chose not to stop.
 

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Thank you for telling how things really are.
 

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These are the guys that will get beat when China invades us, with 40 million solders who will never have a wife or girldfriend becasue there are to many males. The Chinese Defence minister(dictator) said INVASION USA is 5 to 10 years away. Get ready for armageddon on our souil when all our solders are in IRAN or N Korea, thats when we get our ass kicked!! I am ex Air Force - this un professional behavior if true is not American! we will lose, because China will sacrafice 100 million to win we value life too much we take prisoners - they do not
 

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now terrorsem wil grow no wonder
 

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Whether or not in the US these things are believed is a sideshow. People in Iraq are not fooled, they live it. Just wait until it is officially denied, then you know for certain that it is true.
 

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This entire article is 100% pure grade A BS
 

Lots of Denial here, clearly

about 1/3 of the people reading and commenting on this disclosure are doing so from the framework that GWBush is doing a great job with the economy, foreign policy, protecting the Constitution (that's the part in the oath he took), etc., so it's wholly unsurprising to find them unable to accept the information in this disclosure. They don't want to believe that there are any sexual predators in the military, even though the US population is rife with them, nor do they accept the sworn testimony of many women in the military that the military men systemically abuse even their own. To those of you in denial here I can only say that it is your own denial which is a key element which creates a culture, the American culture, rife with crime by millions of sexual predators and a military pervaded by a high percentage of members whose behavior amongst the civilians in foreign countries is indistinct from the behavior of the sexual predators in the American culture. It is rampant, it is repugnant, it is real. You cannot deny it without becoming fools, even more so than you are when you tell us that GWBush is America's Greatest President.
 

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My son just returned from Iraq. He is a Marine Lt..Since his return he is quieter and has not talked of the war. He has shown a few picures of "lucky" days when he escaped death. He is now seeing a counselor for some of what he saw and did. I know he killed to people in a firefight,but they were shooting at him.
When my son married six weeks ago, he had a full military wedding. The young men,who came to the reception, seemed more interested in celebrating being alive..than boasting of what tough killers they were.
I am a Viet Nam vet..a former Naval aviator. In those days I met many young men who were boastful. I have found that the bigger the boast the less anyone really did or saw in a war. "War is hell" and those who know it's inhumanity with to put it behind them.
Real Special Forces fighers are not braggers even when drinking. Real Special Forces are professionals. Yes, and some of it is professional killers.
Our friend driving the cab was more than likely hauling truck drivers,mechanics,or cooks who only knew the Hollywood version of warfare. "REMF" and they were prejudice against a Muslim driving their cab. So,they put on a show. Pick them up 6 months from now and they will be telling the same bragging stories of what they have done in neighborhoods in St Louis.
"Hell is other people". Unfortunately,being in any service business gives you a special glimpse of hell everyday. Our driver saw the hell these young men grew up in and continue to live in.
 

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My son just returned from Iraq. He is a Marine Lt..Since his return he is quieter and has not talked of the war. He has shown a few picures of "lucky" days when he escaped death. He is now seeing a counselor for some of what he saw and did. I know he killed to people in a firefight,but they were shooting at him.
When my son married six weeks ago, he had a full military wedding. The young men,who came to the reception, seemed more interested in celebrating being alive..than boasting of what tough killers they were.
I am a Viet Nam vet..a former Naval aviator. In those days I met many young men who were boastful. I have found that the bigger the boast the less anyone really did or saw in a war. "War is hell" and those who know it's inhumanity with to put it behind them.
Real Special Forces fighers are not braggers even when drinking. Real Special Forces are professionals. Yes, and some of it is professional killers.
Our friend driving the cab was more than likely hauling truck drivers,mechanics,or cooks who only knew the Hollywood version of warfare. "REMF" and they were prejudice against a Muslim driving their cab. So,they put on a show. Pick them up 6 months from now and they will be telling the same bragging stories of what they have done in neighborhoods in St Louis.
"Hell is other people". Unfortunately,being in any service business gives you a special glimpse of hell everyday. Our driver saw the hell these young men grew up in and continue to live in.
 

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Rape and murder are the natural ways to propagate.
 

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Those motherfuckers are lying like hell! they are so scared to be out in Iraq and Iraqis will get them no matter what! So they are out in Iraq and in Some messed up town called St. louis away from Iraq! and now they are trying to be brave and strong andfear nothing! BUT when they are in Iraq-go and interview them and see what they will say!!!!!!!!! they will be wearing diapers! I assurred you as most Iraqi found out! the USA ARMY CAN NOT WANDER IN IRAQ..ONLY IN GREEN ZONE..AND THIS IS THE TRUTH....
 

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YOU ARE RIGHT, MOST AMERICAN SOLIDERS IN IRAQ WEAR DIAPERS AND ARE SO SCARED TO GO OUT OFF THE GREEN ZONE. THE REPORT COMING OUT OF IRAQ SHOWING THAT AMERICAN ARMIES BEING KILLED BY SNIPPERS AND ROAD BOMBS! AND THE MEDIA ONLY SHOWING TV FOOTAGE OF NOT REAL ACTION BUT HOLLYWOOD TYPE! THERE ARE NO BITCHES IN IRAQ ONLY THE SOLIDERS SISTERS THAT ARE COMING TO THE GREEN ZONE AND SOME HOLLYWOOD BITCHES TO ENTERTAIN THE SOLIDERS. IN SHORT, THE usa ARMY AND US GOVERNMENT HAS LOST THIS WAR AND NOW THEY USE SUCH FALSE AND PROFANITY TO DEGRADE IRAQI PEOPLE! BUT IRAQ SUCH SMALL NATION HAVE BEATEN AMERICA THE LAND OF WAR MONGER AND NOW HISTORY ONE DAY WILL GLOYFY IRAQ AS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD FROM SUCH EVIL PEOPLE AND BY THAT IRAQ IS LIBERATING AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THOSE EVILS WHO CONTROLLED THEM FOR A LONG TIME...SO IRAQI ARE GIVING THE GOOD AMERICAN PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GET THEIR LIBERITY BACK SO THEY CAN RULED THEIR LAND BY THEMSELVES FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MORE THAN 100 YEARS!
 

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Man that's a horrible story but, I don't know anyone who would have thought differently weather the victims were black or Muslim or if they were Irish and Catholic. It makes you wonder almost as much about the people that you are talking too.. I have to ask a question though. Why would the gay Latino guy talk about "raping Bitches" ?
That's really a disturbing tale.

Josh Christian
Syracuse
 

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I believe it, just remember what happened in the prison called "Abu gharib". Do you have any doubt about this article, only God knows what's going on overthere, but don't be surprised whatever you do in this life you will pay for it sooner or latter...just wait and see......
 

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I don't doubt the veracity of this story one bit. The nature of war and the nature of men in it never changes.
 

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The uthor of this article is a 100% JEWISH AND ZIOINST WHO CLAIM HE IS MOSLEMS! mOSLEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH SMATER THAN TO BE WITH THOSE FICTION CHARACTERS! WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES! SOME CALL THE ARMY AND CHECK THEIR BACKGROUND AND THEN SPEAK OF THE TRUTH!
 

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you should have done your seat belt up tight & put that taxi stright into the nearest wall. These losers, no doubt will end up back in iraq, but hopefully next time they return in a bady bag.
 

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Whether these guys were wholly truthful or not, their is more than enough evidence that soldiers of all descriptions engage in vile warcrimes of such a nature. What makes American soldiaers so different....absolutely nothing!
 

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Sure the US military does background checks when recruiting, but they have no way of ensuring that their soldiers are good people or are known to uphold strong moral values. And most of those who do don't become infantryman because they know they won't get satisfaction from killing or raping an innocent person. It is wholly credible that a soldier, especially one who choses the job of being a soldier, is capable of such malicious acts no matter what race he is or what country he fights for.
 

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My husband (USAF) was stationed in Germany during the 1980s. I worked as a civilian with an Army unit. During that time, the majority of "heinous" crimes against citizens and residents of Germany were committed by members of the US military or their civilian counterparts. The US housing areas had the highest crime rates because Americans were robbing, raping, and killing their fellow Americans. Several small towns banned American servicemen because of their behavior. Taxi drivers didn't want to pick up servicemen because so many servicemen (primarily Army) had robbed or killed taxi drivers after a night on the town. And this was during a time when the US government hadn't officially sanctioned killing off citizens of a particular country. Now we have troops engaging in acts of torture, carpet bombing cities, and dropping chemical weapons on the residents of Fallujah - without remorse. Surely there are more than a few folks in uniform who would openly brag of raping Iraqi women and bragging about their kills. We have seen plenty of evidency of their widespread abuses, and not just in Iraq.

The military doesn't recruit the best and the brightest. The vast majority of recruits are those who are willing to follow orders. Most kids who score highest on the ASVAB are crossed off the recruiter's list - or at least they were until the US military became desperate for bodies.

While I met some highly intelligent, ethical and compassionate human beings serving in the military, the vast majority were barely capable of cognitive thought. They didn't have the first clue about the world, wouldn't learn the local language and customs, and almost none had knowledge of their own government, their Constitution, or the history of the United States. If they did, they probably wouldn't be serving in the Armed Forces as cannon fodder for corporate interests.

As for the mother whose son is in the military, do you really believe that letters from your child make you an expert on everything that happens in an organization of several million people? I have friends in the military and I write to many soldiers whom I have never met - and some I could never write back to after their vile and racist verbal attacks against the "enemy" they are "liberating" via acts of genocide. Pull your head out of the sand. The truth is the only thing that can bring your son's colleagues home in one piece. An immediate pullout and recompensation to Iraq from every single piece of ^%$#^# scumbag who profits from the war industry
and every!&*#*! scumbag in government who allowed the illegal wars (Afghanistan, too) is the only thing that will quell the violence in Iraq and bring peace to the planet.
 

Seriously

In my opinion...I find it hard to beleive that 3 army dudes out for a night on the town after coming back from Iraq, would openly admit to raping women and killing people in Iraq. But It is obvious it probably happened to this poor man... But as for validity of what was actually said by the men whether bluffing or mouthin off about facts! Remains to be said.. Most of the military men are I know in my family and as friends are brash rowdy mofoes... I think they were simply trying to incite this poor guy into a fight or simply trying to impress each other... Words are words... They were meant to hurt and offend this man not true accounts in my opinion.... IF This sort of thing was common place in Iraq there would be more outcry from everyone instead of just one Taxi Driver in the United States who heard about it third person... Lets be REAL here people... THese guys are just assholes... THey are not murdering rapists!... And if this is actually contrary to reality then this site should be able to prove it !! Which is why I am here.... But I hardly consider this anykind of proof... If anything it does more to separate and take an eye for an eye than it does to try and fix any problems here in america.. Shame Shame Shame.... Chain a fools...
 

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The war in Iraq is a war for Israel([search]). To find out more, goto www.davidduke.com
G.W.Bush is a traitor and a scumbag, and so are his supporters.
 

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In my opinion...I find it hard to beleive that 3 army dudes out for a night on the town after coming back from Iraq, would openly admit to raping women and killing people in Iraq. But It is obvious it probably happened to this poor man... But as for validity of what was actually said by the men whether bluffing or mouthin off about facts! Remains to be said.. Most of the military men are I know in my family and as friends are brash rowdy mofoes... I think they were simply trying to incite this poor guy into a fight or simply trying to impress each other... Words are words... They were meant to hurt and offend this man not true accounts in my opinion.... IF This sort of thing was common place in Iraq there would be more outcry from everyone instead of just one Taxi Driver in the United States who heard about it third person... Lets be REAL here people... THese guys are just assholes... THey are not murdering rapists!... And if this is actually contrary to reality then this site should be able to prove it !! Which is why I am here.... But I hardly consider this anykind of proof... If anything it does more to separate and take an eye for an eye than it does to try and fix any problems here in america.. Shame Shame Shame.... Chain a fools...
 

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This story sounds true to me - pretty much what I would expect of a typical American.

Watch Fallujah- The Hidden Massacre to see not just what the typical American DOES, but what the typical American IS. Shooting children is standard practice for Americans, so why shouldn't we believe they think nothing of rape?
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

I wish the U.S. would build a huge wall all around the entire country, and no-one would ever be allowed in or out ever again.
 

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In a quick perusal of the news item by Umar ben-ivan lee, and having travelled around the world during some 20 years of active military service ending in 1964 I strongly suspect that his version of that ride is correct in every detail.
I note that most detractors do not and will not accept that other see this nation in a different light than one of purity.
Personally having been BETRAYED by the nation I served giving them the best years of my life along with 432,000 cohorts in the mid '60s on pay and later loss of our 'EARNED' life-time health care. I can attest to the fact that America espoused a lot of bull..., and if we cannot obtain restitution how does the common resident of an invaded country by a hugh military machine seek any restitution for any wrong?
In short, "The lives of may are not valued in this society." and especially when created by a mercenary military.
 

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More American Oil Nazis need to die.
 

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More American Oil Nazis need to die.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

More American Oil Nazis need to die.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

More American Oil Nazis need to die.
 

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Pure propaganda BS for jihadist sympatizers
 

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Pure propaganda BS for jihadist sympatizers
 

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If this story is true, you need to report them to the proper Army investigative authority. You do have their names since they were in your car.
Living in Tidewater, VA though my job has me dealing with the military all the time. I have no idea where you found these clowns, but I would guess they were already drunk when you picked them up. The other hand is that you made the story up, verify it for me, turn them in and let me read about it on the AP.
 

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This story leans towards truthfulness, as it portrays the typical American way of thinking. One can sense the hatred, the clear racism, the sheer arrogance; all of which are aspects of the real America for the past 50-some years.
How many lives America has wasted around the world, due to false or misleading intelligence reports.
Is the Bush administration really serving America's interests by invading and/or threatening other nations?
Bush and Co. (Cheney, Bumsfeld, Rice, Feith, Perle, Wolfie, Zios, big corps biggies and others) should be hanged.
 

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nothing new,

this has been going on since guam.

with HGH and lardburgers you make sure the population you get is fit to fire a gun but has no more synapse connections than a primate.

thats america, and this psychological treat holds true all the way up to the president.

maybe thats the only advantage of aristocracy, at least you get rulers with some education and who have been fed correctly.
 

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...and some people plus the media just blame the muslims for DEFENDING them selves
 

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*cough* bullshit
 

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Wow. You liberals will believe anything that makes our troops look bad.

Shame on you.
 

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Yeah, and think of this. When Bush's war is over those halfwits are going to come back to your country and probably behave in the same manner.... In effect the evil that Bush has released will come back to haunt all Americans.
 

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Yeah, and think of this. When Bush's war is over those halfwits are going to come back to your country and probably behave in the same manner.... In effect the evil that Bush has released will come back to haunt all Americans.
 

have you seen this mural in the chapel at abu ghraib?

www.sunflower.com/~420/oct5/oct28abumural.jpg

the scripture on the wall is Psalm 60-12: "Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies."

so it's not just in our names that the "u.s.fool idiots" are committing crimes...
 

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We all know there has been a whole range of participants in the U.S. government's invasion, occupation and continuing war against the civilian insurgency in Iraq. The invasion was the initiation of a blatant act of international agression which makes it a war crime to begin with. Most of the participants have been indoctrinated to hate and fear the entire population of Iraq, with racist and anti-Islamic beliefs encouraged. The U.S. military has repeatedly humiliated, tortured, maimed and mass-murdered civilians, when not just bombing homes indiscriminately (i.e. without checking on whether or not any civilians are present beforehand). Depleted nuclear weaponry, chemical weaponry (napalm, phosphorus,...) and other outlawed forms of weaponry have been repeatedly used against not only military targets (when there were any during the illegal invasion) but also against civilian areas.

So should there be any surprise when a few army misfits can't figure out that they should be keeping their mouths shut about their crimes when they're back in their own country? If the military brass knew they were shooting their mouths off they'd tell 'em to shut up, but they wouldn't take it very seriously, anyway, since no mainstream media would publish the truth about this kind of stuff unless it was caught on film--and probably not even then.

Last year a medal was pinned on another war criminal here in Columbia, Missouri by Republican U.S. Representative Kenny Hulshoff the day after the war criminal admitted to the local newspaper that he intentionally murdered an Iraqi four-year-old (don't ask me how he knew the age, I'm assuming he was guessing) because, he said, the little child picked up a gun from the floor and he didn't want to take a chance on getting shot himself! What a cowardly act! But did he worry about telling the truth about this war crime? Not at all, because he knew the mainstream media will just let it pass by and excuse it if necessary, just like the Nazi press excused similar despicable acts by the SS in the 1930s and 1940s.

And then there are always the millions of supporters for invasions, torture, maiming and massacring of civilians, etc. in the U.S. who help it all keep happening again and again and again in country after country that the U.S. has invaded over the last hundred years and more.
 

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Thank goodness that you all are in the minority. I support our troops, and I realize that they are an intricate part of our way of life.
 

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Congrats, Umar! As I said earlier: "It may have just been bragging, but, even if it's just that, it goes to show that the U$ military does not always create the most honorable of folk, and we shouldn't unconditionally "support our troops," even though we must "bring [all of] them home."

As far as the latest "Anonymous" comment: "Thank goodness that you all are in the minority."

WE ARE NOT IN THE MINORITY BEFORE THE WAR (WORLDWIDE), WE ARE NOT IN THE MINORITY IN IRAQ,

Secret MoD poll: Iraqis support attacks on British troops
By Sean Rayment, News-Telegraph Defence Correspondent 10/23/2005
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml

The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, was conducted by an Iraqi university research team that, for security reasons, was not told the data it compiled would be used by coalition forces.

It reveals:
* 45% of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified (up to 65% in British-patrolled Maysan province, down to 25% in Basra);
* 82% are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops;
* less than 1% of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security;
* 67% of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;
* 72% do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.
* 71% rarely get safe clean water
* 47% never have enough electricity
* 70% say their sewerage system rarely works
* 40% of southern Iraqis are unemployed.

AND WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE MINORITY IN THE US:

52% Say Get Out Now!
Associated Press/Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs
Sept. 16-18, 2005
www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

"Should the United States troops stay in Iraq as long as it takes to make sure Iraq is a stable democracy, even if it takes a long time, or should U.S. troops leave Iraq as soon as possible, even if Iraq is not completely stable?"
Stay as Long as It Takes 42%
Leave ASAP 52%
Unsure 6%

Poll: Nearly two-thirds support a full or partial U.S. withdrawal
CNN staff 9/22/05

"63 percent supported a full or partial withdrawal"
 

The confessions of these soldiers are surprising only because the story has been so tightly concealed by the administration

As a matter of fact, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the Red Cross, ACLU, a physicians group (PHP), the Center for Constitutional Rights and even the army itself have documented sexual abuse of women in US detention centers in Iraq. I have articles from the LA Times, the Guardian (several), the Moscow Times, Il Manifesto, Global Research, Asia Times, Editor and Publisher, the Sunday Herald, Dahr Jamail's website and others. In addition, some of these articles also cover the rape and abuse of children, which has been documented with photographs taken by US soldiers. One twelve year old girl was gang-raped by soldiers in her cell and all other detainees in her area listened. Boys have also been sodomized by soldiers. Children are taken from their parents and housed separately and indefintely. Some of the women, formerly in detention, have been found to have been later killed by family members (honor killings). Seymour Hersch has been speaking about the rape and abuse of women and children on the lecture circuit.

Can any reasonable person really believe that through such methods it is possible to "spread democracy" or combat terrorism? That was never their plan in the first place. Check out the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) website and be amazed.
These are excerpts from some of the articles mentioned above:

The Failed Siege of Fallujah, June 3, 2005, Asia Times, By Dahr Jamail
www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/newscommentary/000251.php

"There are daily war crimes being committed in Fallujah, even now," said Mohammed Abdulla, the executive director of the Study Center for Human Rights and Democracy in Fallujah (SCHRDF). His organization works within the destruction of Fallujah, trying to monitor the plight of residents, bring them reconstruction aid, and document the war crimes and illegal weapons that were used during the November siege…"There are plenty of women in Fallujah who have testified they were raped by American soldiers," said Abdulla. "They are nearby the Secondary School for Girls inside Fallujah. When people came back to Fallujah the first time they found so many girls who were totally naked and they had been killed."


Pentagon Blocks Release of Abu Ghraib Images: Here's Why

By Greg Mitchell, 23rd July 2005

Editor and Publisher

www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp

"’The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,’ Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee… In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: “Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men….The women were passing messages saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what's happened…’

The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.?



Iraq’s Child Prisoners, August 25, 2005, Sunday

A Sunday Herald investigation has discovered that coalition forces are holding more than 100 children in jails such as Abu Ghraib. Witnesses claim that the detainees – some as young as 10 – are also being subjected to rape and torture, By Neil Mackay

It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. “The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets,? he said in a statement given to investigators probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. “Then, when I heard the screaming… It’s not certain exactly how many children are being held by coalition forces in Iraq, but a Sunday Herald investigation suggests there are up to 107...

Proof of the widespread arrest and detention of children in Iraq by US and UK forces is contained in an internal Unicef report written in June. The report has – surprisingly – not been made public...

An Iraqi TV reporter Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz saw the Abu Ghraib children’s wing when he was arrested by Americans while making a documentary. He spent 74 days in Abu Ghraib. “I saw a camp([search]) for children there,? he said. “Boys, under the age of puberty. There were certainly hundreds of children in this camp.? Al-Baz said he heard a 12-year-old girl crying. Her brother was also held in the jail. One night guards came into her cell. “She was beaten,? said al-Baz. “I heard her call out, ‘They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.’? He says he heard her cries and whimpering daily – this, in turn, caused other prisoners to cry as they listened to her…

Amnesty International is outraged by the detention of children. It is aware of “numerous human rights violations against Iraqi juveniles, including detentions, torture and ill-treatment, and
killings?.


Iraqi Women Under US Occupation
by Ghali Hassan. 6 May 2005

globalresearch.ca/articles/HAS505A.html

An eyewitness female detainee at Abu Ghraib, who identified herself as ‘Noor’, told Al-Jazeera that ‘U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison raped women and, in many occasions, forced them to strip naked in public’. She admitted seeing ‘many female detainees got pregnant’. Iraqi lawyer Iman Khamas, of International Occupation Watch Centre, said; "One former detainee had recounted the alleged rape of her cell mate in Abu Ghraib." "[The detainee] had been raped 17 times in one day", said Khamas.


Iraq’s Children: Choir of Despair, US deeply involved in gravest of International War Crimes,

By Ghali Hassan

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php

On all levels – human rights abuse, healthcare, medical, educational, and psychological – the Iraqi children are enduring immense hardship and suffering…

Arlie Hochschield, a professor of Sociology at the University of California at Berkeley, noted in the New York Times on 29 June 2005 that, "… we don't know exactly how many Iraqi children are in American custody" because "age is not a determining factor in [US] detention" practices…

Indeed, with the exception of Seymour Hersh’s investigation in May 2004, crimes of sexual violence, rape and torture by US forces against Iraqi men, women and children continue to be unreported and remain secret from the public…

According to Karen Greenberg, director of the Centre on Law and Security at the New York University School of Law, editor of ‘The Torture Papers’, the U.S. government is guilty of a ‘systematic decision to alter the use of methods of coercion and torture that lay outside of accepted and legal norms?… Furthermore, the majority of the 100,000 Iraqis killed (conservative estimate) by US-British forces were women and children, reported the reputed and peer-reviewed British medical journal, The Lancet in November 2004… Iraq is awash with orphaned and homeless children.

Collective Punishment

dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/dispatches/000168.php

Ahmed, a 38 year-old farmer talks with us… “At that camp they hung a sign where we stayed that said, The Zoo,? he explained. He claims that his home and fields were searched and no weapons were found. His ten month detention included witnessing sexual humiliation of prisoners, and regular beatings… “… American soldiers put naked Iraqi women in a cell and then enter the cell,? he explains, “I heard the screams as the soldiers raped the women.?


“The student is gone; the master has arrived.?

dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/dispatches/000014.php

This is life in Iraq today… I recently interviewed another detainee from Abu Ghraib. Some of what she told me reminded me of a quote from George Bush at the 2003 RNC Gala. “Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers.? Um Taha was detained for 4 months, she told me that while in Abu Ghraib she knew that many of the women in the prison were being raped… She told of being forced to use a sieve to separate feces from urine in a waste bucket from the latrine in Tikrit where she was held prior to her transfer to Abu Ghraib. Once this job was done, a soldier dumped gas on the feces, lit them, and made her stir them for half an hour…


Darker Purpose, by Chris Floyd, Moscow Times, July 20, 2005

context.themoscowtimes.com/story/154946/

Even as Cheney was chastising Congress, the Bushists were blatantly defying a federal court order to release 87 photographs and four videos of last year's Abu Ghraib mayhem. These depict barbarities that even Pentagon warlord Don Rumsfeld once described as "blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," Editor & Publisher reports. A Republican senator who saw the material spoke of "rape and murder." Bush simply refused to obey the federal court, saying he would provide an explanation for his actions -- in secret -- at some later date. But there is more. Eyewitnesses have said the pictures show the rape and brutal abuse of young teenagers and children. The filmed evidence is corroborated by the Pentagon's own investigators…


Chewing on meaningless words, The battle over the constitution is regarded by most Iraqi women, confined to their homes by the occupation, as an irrelevance

By Haifa Zangana

Wednesday August 17, 2005, The Guardian file:///c:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Pat/My%20Documents/Women%20Undr%20Occuptn%20Iraq.htm

Torture and ill-treatment - even the torture of children in adult facilities - is widespread. The suffering of their sisters in cities showered with napalm, phosphorus and cluster bombs by US jets, the death of an estimated 100,000 Iraqis (half of them women and children), is met with rhetoric about training women for leadership and democracy…

Documents released in March by the American Civil Liberties Union highlight more than a dozen cases of rape and abuse of female detainees, and reveal that no action was taken against any soldier or civilian official as a result - and that US troops have destroyed evidence, to avoid a repetition of last year's Abu Ghraib scandal…
 

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this isn't soldiers per se, but...
[blockquote]
A "trophy" video appearing to show security guards in Baghdad randomly shooting Iraqi civilians has sparked two investigations after it was posted on the internet, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

The video has sparked concern that private security companies, which are not subject to any form of regulation either in Britain or in Iraq, could be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent Iraqis.
[/blockquote]

www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/27.html
 

don't forget those soldiers of fast food..er, make that 'fortune'

check out these chunky mercs who like to watch things go BOOM between meals

psd-eod.typepad.com/dont_worrywell_protect_yo/

from the about page:
[excerpt]
Interests:

Long walks on the beach, candlelight dinners, slow dancing cheek-to-cheek, picking daisies, babysitting bunny rabbits, shooting bad guys and seeing their brain matter splattered across the pavement, working to keep John Kerry out of office, getting out the intel needed for other Operators to fly the roads of Iraq safely
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American values--oxymoron? It never seem to amaze me how short the Anglo-American's attention span--short memory, really is in this country. Just replace the word Muslim with the word Black (aka "nigger")and you would immediately see how and where these soldiers got their values from. America!! And you wounder why White americans are hated around the world--even in Europe. Amazing!!!
 

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Dan states..."You konow, in a war dehumanizing your enemy is necessary to be able to harm (kill, torture, rape) your victim. People in the army are usual a selected bunch of cluster C (anxious, dependent, obsessive, and antisocial) personality disorderers. Then you have to regard their low IQ and the lack of possibilty to develop in a "normal" society and there is the mix for their sick behaviour.

their leaders are psychopats.

and the rest are sheep(le) waiting for things to calm down or awaiting their turn to be slaughtered or fed to the enemy".

Wow Dan what an amazing insight you have, by the way I am a veteran of the Army and you do not know of what you speak. What branch of service have you served in?, oh and by the way, your superiour intellect needs to use spellcheck!
 

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2012 can't come soon enough.The really scary thing is that these programmed bestial killing machines are entering back into so called civilised society.Is it any wonder Bush doesn;t want a withdrawl,what better means to get rid of someone who can cannot be deprogrammed.
 

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This is so absurd! I become enraged with the troops after reading this. It is obviously true, I mean look at the stuff we've found out in the last 2 years. Abuse, torture, rapes, etc. If it wasn't for these ape-like military nuts taking snapshots (which thankfully got into the wrong hands) we would never be held accountable for anything. Do you think the Army or Marines would have admitted to this without those pictures? Hell no!
I say we take each soldier caught raping someone and stick a baseball bat up their butt. Or maybe we could take a soldier who is beating the piss out of a tied up inmate and pour battery acid on him one drip at a time. It's only fair.
 

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Let's start by clearing a few things up... 60% of Americans say that "pulling troops out now would embolden the terrorists worldwide", and 58% of Americans believe that we "are making steady progress in Iraq" (source: pollingreport.com). While 80% of Iraqis surveyed want the "occupation to end", less then 22% want an "immediate withdrawal of Coalition troops" (source: freeiraq.com report which was printed by an anti-US news agency in Basrah).

Are there ignorant soldiers? You bet. Are there ignorant web postings, police, politicians, hairdressers, garbagemen, religous leaders, college professors, etc? You bet.

I'm sure there are soldiers abusing their autonomy just like all the other idiots in every profession who do the same.

The original post cannot be proven any more then it can be disproven. This is, however, a great piece to be used by a government who wants to limit free speech in order to quash ignorant rantings.
 

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What happened? Did your "vigil" end with the holidays? Or you all just sad that Bush's approval ratings are nearing 50% and approval of the war in Iraq is sitting at 65%?

Gotta' go back to my "de-programming" class so I can fit in with all you civilized folks.
 

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These poor men were neither boasting nor joking. They were literally deadly serious. Unfortunately, America taught them how to kill under any or all circumstances, and, before they returned them to an unsuspecting society, they failed to unteach that malice, stress, anger, and racist-nationalist hubris. That new outrageoust sense of entitlement mixed with an unquenched prideful rage is also expressed in serial criminals. If they don't wind up in prison for their criminal insanity, they'll wind up in graves at the hands of the fearful. They may be heroes to some, but they are crime suspects to be feared and mistrusted to everyone else just because of the known atrocities of war. Not every patriot has decided to ignore or pretend. Some of us aren't going fake that funk a matter of life and breath. Believe that!
 

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yahoo: U.S. troops accused of killing Iraq family (after raping a daughter)
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060630/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_soldiers_investigated;_ylt=Ap_up9fPrV89_DZEMvP8WISs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ&;
Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press on Friday.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of raping.

a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and has been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

At least four other soldiers have had their weapons taken away and are confined to Forward Operating Base Mahmoudiyah south of Baghdad. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

The official said the killings appear to be unrelated to the kidnappings but that a soldier felt compelled to report the killings after his fellow soldiers' bodies were found.

The killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," the official said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.
 

indoctrinated to rape

reuters: US Marine exonerated for song about killing Iraqis
www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27397428.htm
The U.S. military will not punish a Marine who performed an obscenity-laced song to a laughing and cheering crowd of fellow troops in Iraq making light of killing Iraqis, the Marine Corps said on Tuesday.



"The preliminary inquiry has been concluded. No punitive action will be taken against Corporal Belile. And there will be no further investigation," said Maj. Shawn Haney, a spokeswoman at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point in North Carolina.

Haney said the inquiry ruled out any violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Another Marine Corps official, who asked not to be named because details of the inquiry are private, said poor taste, poor judgment and poor timing, not to mention offensive lyrics, do not necessarily amount to criminal conduct.


pr watch: hadji girl
www.prwatch.org/node/4887
"Hadji Girl" tells the story of a soldier "out in the sands of Iraq / And we were under attack":

Then suddenly to my surprise
I looked up and I saw her eyes
And I knew it was love at first sight.

And she said…
Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can’t understand what you’re saying.

The girl says that she "wanted me to meet her family / But I, well, I couldn’t figure out how to say no. / Cause I don’t speak Arabic." They visit her home, a "side shanty" down "an old dirt trail," and as soon as they arrive,

Her brother and her father shouted…
Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They pulled out their AKs so I could see

… So I grabbed her little sister and pulled her in front of me.

As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally

Then I hid behind the TV
And I locked and loaded my M-16
And I blew those little fuckers to eternity.

And I said…
Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They should have known they were fucking with a Marine.


oct 31, 2002: Why I oppose the US War On Terror: An Ex Marine Speaks out
www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm
In boot camp([search]), deceit and manipulation accompany the necessity to motivate troops to murder on command. You can’t take civilians from the street, give them machine guns, and expect them to kill without question in a democratic society; therefore people must be indoctrinated to do so. This fact alone should sound off alarms in our collective American brain. If the cause of war is justified, then why do we have to be put through boot camp? If you answer that we have to be trained in killing skills, well, then why is most of boot camp not focused on combat training? Why are privates shown videos of U.S. military massacres while playing Metallica in the background, thus causing us to scream with the joy of the killer instinct as brown bodies are obliterated? Why do privates answer every command with an enthusiastic, "kill!!" instead of, "yes, sir!!" like it is in the movies?

Military indoctrination could be said to prepare men to use disrespect for all living things as a means of destroying the enemy’s morale. Boot camp itself is mostly a series of chaos-surrounded tests of will and strength, meant to eliminate a human being’s ability to feel weakness, in order for military leaders to harness obedience to their orders when it’s time to kill. The topics covered in motivational songs are tools for desensitizing men who would be predisposed to respect women, so as to create an animal within him that can be activated when necessary to carry out any barbaric assignment. An example of these lyrics follows: "Throw some candy in the school yard, watch the children gather round. Load a belt in your M-60, mow them little bastards down!!" and "We’re gonna rape, kill, pillage and burn, gonna rape, kill, pillage and burn!!" Could the bar be set any higher on the level of atrocities that the military wants its men to be capable of? I say "men" because these kinds of songs are generally not repeated in the presence of women. These chants are meant to motivate the troops; they enjoy it, salivate from it, and get off on it. If one repeats these hundreds of times, one eventually begins to accept them as paradigmatically valid.

The violation of women in war is a weapon, just as are conventional arms. The movie "Casualties of War" illustrates this clearly when actor Sean Penn holds up his rifle and says, "The army calls this a weapon, but it ain’t," then, grabbing his crotch with the other he says, "This is a weapon." The movie, based on a true story, involves a small U.S. combat unit that kidnapped, raped, and murdered a Vietnamese woman during the war. I assert that times have not changed with respect to the mentality of sexual assault in the military. Although soldiers are given sensitivity classes that tell the men to respect civilians and especially women, another message pervades everything else one learns and trains for, which effectively obliterates all notions of respect during war. This is generally speaking, of course, but sensitivity inherently conflicts with the identity of a killer, which is what infantrymen are conditioned to be. They are trained to thrive on the blood of humans, and this is used to create a lustful sensation when conditioning for combat.


editor & publisher: AP Embed Gets Scoop on Latest Alleged U.S. Atrocity
www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp
AP correspondent Ryan Lenz, embedded with the 101st Airborne Division in Beiji, Iraq, produced the latest news bulletin today concerning yetr another alleged U.S. atrocity in Iraq, and one of the worst yet.

Lenz reported this morning that five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her on March 12— and three members of her family in Iraq.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of raping.
 

re rape

wapo: Investigators believe American soldiers spent nearly a week plotting an attack in which they raped an Iraqi woman, then killed her and her family in an insurgent-ridden area south of Baghdad, a U.S. military official said Saturday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the attack appeared "totally premeditated" and that the soldiers apparently "studied" the family for about a week before carrying out the attack.

According to the official, the Sunni Arab family had just moved into a new home in the religiously mixed area about 20 miles south of Baghdad. The Americans entered the home, separated three family members from the woman, then raped her and set fire to her body, the official said. The three others were also slain. A senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing said one of the victims was a child.



If convicted of premeditated murder, the soldiers could receive a death sentence under U.S. military law.

The U.S. official said at least four soldiers were being investigated. Two other U.S. officials said Friday that five were under investigation but one already had been discharged for unspecified charges unrelated to the killings and was believed to be in the United States.
 

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re rape

wapo: Details Emerge in Alleged Army Rape, Killings
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/02/AR2006070200673.html
Fifteen-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza was afraid, her mother confided in a neighbor.

As pretty as she was young, the girl had attracted the unwelcome attention of U.S. soldiers manning a checkpoint that the girl had to pass through almost daily in their village in the south-central city of Mahmudiyah, her mother told the neighbor.

Abeer told her mother again and again in her last days that the soldiers had made advances toward her, a neighbor, Omar Janabi, said this weekend, recounting a conversation he said he had with the girl's mother, Fakhriyah, on March 10.

Fakhriyah feared that the Americans might come for her daughter at night, at their home. She asked her neighbor if Abeer might sleep at his house, with the women there.

Janabi said he agreed.

Then, "I tried to reassure her, remove some of her fear," Janabi said. "I told her, the Americans would not do such a thing."

Abeer did not live to take up the offer of shelter.

Instead, attackers came to the girl's house the next day, apparently separating Abeer from her mother, father and young sister.

Janabi and others knowledgeable about the incident said they believed that the attackers raped Abeer in another room. Medical officials who handled the bodies also said the girl had been raped, but they did not elaborate.

Before leaving, the attackers fatally shot the four family members — two of Abeer's brothers had been away at school — and attempted to set Abeer's body on fire, according to Janabi, another neighbor who spoke on condition of anonymity, the mayor of Mahmudiyah and a hospital administrator with knowledge of the case.



Janabi was one of the first people to arrive at the house after the attack, he said Saturday, speaking to a Washington Post special correspondent at the home of local tribal leaders. He said he found Abeer sprawled dead in a corner, her hair and a pillow next to her consumed by fire, and her dress pushed up to her neck.

"I was sure from the first glance that she had been raped," he said.

Despite the reassurances he had given the girl's mother earlier, Janabi said, "I wasn't surprised what had happened, when I found that the suspicion of the mother was correct."



Death certificates viewed Sunday at the Mahmudiyah hospital identified the victims as Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, 34, killed by gunshots to her head; Qasim Hamza Raheem, 45, whose head was "smashed" by bullets; Hadeel Qasim Hamza, 7, Abeer's sister, shot; and Abeer, shot in the head. Abeer's body also showed burns, the death certificate noted.
 

re rape

reuters: US soldier charged with rape, murder in Iraq
today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx

Discharged soldier Steven Green, 21, appeared in court in Charlotte, North Carolina, on a charge from a federal prosecutor in Kentucky that he went with three others to a house near Mahmudiya, just south of Baghdad, to rape a woman there.

Green, who faces the death penalty, shot dead a man, woman and girl then raped another woman and killed her, the U.S. attorney said in a statement. Court documents said he had since been discharged from the army due to a "personality disorder".


discharged for personality disorder. sure. more like discharged as a pretext for damage control.

Mahmudiya's mayor and other local officials named the family and said Abeer Qasim Hamza was 16 when she was raped and killed, although U.S. investigators have the victim's age as 20. U.S. soldiers first put the family's killing down to insurgents.

okay now, the u.s. is spinning that abeer was 20, the mayor says 16, and in the previous post the family says she was 15. who do you think is most reliable? same goes for abeer's sister, hadeel, who the autopsy listed as being 7, not 10. this is not a difficult thing to get these ages correct in print reporting.

…the family were Sunni Muslims from the powerful Janabi tribe.

google on the janabi tribe
www.google.com/search
and you will see that the janabi's are not people you really want to be fucking around with. one source puts the tribe at about 1 million strong, historically one of the largest in all of iraq. powerful, influential & organized. so when the u.s. govt says that the rape of abeer & the execution of her family is not connected to the later kidnapping & execution of two members of the 101st from a checkpoint was not related, you can pretty much assume that is complete bullshit.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

I am a Soldier. I have killed a lot of Saddham's soldiers and insurgents in three deployments in the war on terror. That's verifiable truth. These jack-asses are probably not even in the Army. If these idiots are in the Army and have even been deployed, they are likely amoung the 70% of Soldiers in "combat zones" who never leave their F.O.B.s and are never for a moment in the same zip code as "harm's way". The sad fact of the matter is, in the Military or not most people when it comes to issues dealing with Iraq and their involvement are ashamed that they are too cowardly to enlist or having enlisted now realize that combat is not a friggin' video game.They are glad to allow the small percentage of the Army and Marine Corps who are actual "trigger pullers" to do all of the dangerous work for the exact same pay. They go to Iraq/Afghanistan where their job is done by some division of Haliburton, and with nothing to do, eat, shop and play video games for a year. These individuals when they come home make-up fantastic stories of their heroism in pitched combat with an insurgency they've only ever actually seen on CNN and unfortunately these stories can only be dissected by the something like 15-20% of the Army and Marine Corps who's job it is to do battle with insurgents. Long story short, if someone tells you they are an "in-flight missile repair technician" and relates some story to you that involves them slashing throats and kicking down doors rest assured that there is something like a 80-90% chance that they are complete liars. These people are who you in the media hold up as examples of what is going on in Iraq. I can assure you as an 11b Infantryman and Sniper my job is to kill people, and it is not something I take lightly. Nor should it be expected that I run down and give some guy with an artillery shell in his hand a questionairre to assess his guilt, we are not police officers and cannot be held to the same standard (I had to say that, it seems the media expects everyone to get detained these days). A guy in Iraq carrying an artillery shell is a terrorist,period he requires no trial only execution to try to detain this individual or to expect anyone to is sheer stupidity. I'm done.
 

Re: Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

A guy in Iraq carrying an artillery shell is a terrorist,period he requires no trial only execution to try to detain this individual or to expect anyone to is sheer stupidity. I'm done

you're also in need of some serious mental counseling, and probably enforced isolation from civil society.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

Two thoughts first.

You jerks are the first to say, "we support the troops, bring them home!" Well to support the troops, you have to support the mission.

The next one is that you jerks will be the first to get a bullet in your heads if the islamofacists take over. Hell, I just might let that happen just to see that.

Really, how gullible/blinded by hate for the administration/ignorant do you have to be to take this "cab driver's" story at face value. Use your brains. Think critically.

Also, I quite enjoyed reading your ignorant remarks about how stupid/disenfranchised/used our enlisted troops are. You lament, oh if only they had studied more or been white, then they wouldn't be in that facist Bush's SS! You ignore the fact that the military has over a 99% rate of high school graduation, much better than that of the general population. If only they had been as smart as you, they wouldn't be "forced" into an honorable career, something you will never know. Because the truth is, we will weed punks like you jerks out. You are who you decry. People who sponge off privilege, and look down your noses at others and don't have the guts to do what you know in your hearts is right. Good riddance.

Finally, speaking as one of their "psychopath" leaders, I dare you to ever say this looney crap to one of our faces. What you will find is a man/woman whose dignity and honor knows no bounds, as all of your taunts and condescension will only net a curdt "excuse me."
 

@ soldier

Two thoughts first

[then a bunch of reactionary nonsense that ignores facts on the ground in defense of a grandiose, shared psychosis - i.e., "An illness that prevents people from being able to distinguish between the real world and the imaginary world. Symptoms include hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren't really there, or delusions), irrational thoughts and fears."]

Finally, speaking as one of their "psychopath" leaders, I dare you to ever say this looney crap to one of our faces.

hard to do when you choose to post anon. ever think about that?
 

confession?

Monday, January 22, 2007
Soldier Confesses to Gang Rape of Iraqi Teen?
palestineandiraq.blogspot.com/2007/01/soldier-confesses-to-gang-rape-of-iraqi.html
A new video has just popped up on YouTube, which, if it is honestly labelled, gives an extremely disturbing account of events inside the walls of Abu Ghraib.

The piece has been extensively edited, and one hopes that this editing removed some context that would have made these statements of an alleged former Abu Ghraib guard represent something less inhumane.

If the subject of the video is really an ex-guard giving an honest account of his work inside the prison, then the story of Abu Ghraib has been far more brutal under American leadership than anything Charles Graner and his crew of photogenic yahoos ever showed.

NOTE: Again, to make absolutely clear, Iraqslogger has not been able to verify this video a being the true account of an American soldier who worked at Abu Ghraib. We've attempted to contact the individual who posted it on YouTube, but have yet to receive a response. At this point, we do not have enough evidence to conclude anything about its provenance. If our citizen-sloggers know anything about the subject in the video, or the source of it, please send us a tip.

Partial Transcript


What was the most fun things?

The most fun thing, umm….definitely the women.

They had chick insurgents, man?

No, they didn't have chick insurgents.

***

If something goes down, they just grab everyone around, you know, fuck em. I mean, you gonna have 35 trials? No, you know. People are like, "Oh they're innocent." You know what, I don't give a fuck. As far as I'm concerned, they're all guilty. They should have kicked Saddam out themselves. Instead, we're there doing the fucking job. We're losing guys…..

***

Were those people in the World Trade Center guilty? No. Fuck them. They fucked us, so now we're fucking them. Fuck them, dude, anyone with a fucking rag on their head is fair game.

***

….girl, she was probably like 15 years old. Yeah, she was hot dude. The body on that girl, yeah, really tight. You know, hadn't been touched yet. She was fucking prime. So….

***

One of the guys started pimping her out for 50 bucks a shot. I think at the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung herself.

Really?

Yeah. (laugh)

She hung herself? How's come she hung herself?

I don't know. She wasn't happy. (laugh)

***

In their culture, it's really shunned upon if you get raped. I guess she would have been stoned to death by her people. It's fucked up.

She was fucked anyway, I guess. In more ways than one.

(more laughing)

***

You didn't get shit from the CO, did you?

No, not until those fucking pictures came out. After then the biggest rule was no fucking cameras.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

America is an evil land, God, Allah or what ever you want to call him hates it. The sooner it goes the same way as sodom and Gamorah the better.
Muslims should be defending themselves. While the Americans invade Iraq, kill and rape, other Muslim countries sell them oil. If Muslims countries all became one country, thats when they would be able to fight back, and thats when America would decide to leave Iraqis and other Muslims alone.
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

What ever, Just another person tring to start anti-american thing over here. You can't see his writting style then your not very smart, the so called taxi driver is making this up... No doubt just read some of his clue words he adds..

Nice try dude..
 

Re: US Soldiers in St. Louis Admit to Rape and Murder in Iraq

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