You Marxist dilettantes are so averse to truth that you would call day night and vice versa. You're the ones that lost; all your people ran off scared, not counting the three of your gang that were arrested. All your hockey sticks were confiscated, your precious cussing banner which you so prominently display was left behind and confiscated by the St. Louis County Police, meaning the rest of your mob will soon be donning handcuffs. By the way, we noticed that you probably purloined that piece of vinyl from some casino, judging from the contents on the opposite side.

Our picnic continued after all you cowards scattered. So all your talk about being "deleted" applies to your gang, not our people.

Those precious "girls" that you say were innocent bystanders were actually part of your gang. Innocent bystanders don't charge right into the heart of a one-way mob attack.

Despite your claim, we had nobody bloodied, but your gang of nutbars had about six or seven that was really bloodied up. In fact, that's how the cops were able to catch up to one of your "people" they arrested, they followed the trail of his dripping blood. This means a dozen middle aged and old men, mostly military vets, kicked your collective young butt. You so-called human beings are pathetic cowards. The only way you can "win" is by means of lying propaganda that you see in prose above.

A few of your own people actually apologized to some of our people, apologizing for the fact that your gang started the fight, not knowing their group actually started a fight.

We're sending a clear message to you anarchists: Anarchy is a fraud; it's nothing more than a front for communism. There's no such thing as anarchy, but true anarchy, devoid of any real authority, as you goobers seem to want, can only lead to tyranny, your true objective.

Are you people so pathetic that all you can do to display your own fraudulent activism is to crash other people's legitimate events? Your parents ought to drag you by your ears back to their houses and give you all a good hard spanking, and teach you a thing or three about tact, civility and manners, assuming you're not so stupid that you could never comprehend the substance of those concepts. Of course, your parents should do that after they clean all the blood off your faces and take you to the hospital and sew up your wounds, as your parents actually work for a living and earn real health insurance, unlike you goobers whose goal in life is to sponge.

Racism is racism, and the CCC is a well-known racist organization. So, it was a racist group having a picnic in a public park, where the very laws that permit the CCC to openly express its bigoted views also permit people to express their disagreement.

The fight, whoever started it, was indeed unfortunate, but that's frankly what happens when you confront hate groups like CCC. The CCC knows very well that it spreads racism and intolerance, just as it knows that it will encounter protests like this at its public events. The protestors who crashed the picnic brought hockey sticks for defense, since they were going to confront a group that has shown itself to be violent in the past.

Besides, both sides accuse the other starting the fight, just as posters on this page both for and against the CCC threaten further violence. Racists are hateful people, just as normal people hate racists. You can see that hate expressed clearly on this page, including in your own post.

Futhermore, I find it interesting that the nat'l CCC website only lists anonymous PO boxes as mailing address for each state's chapter, and just as the St. Louis CCC lists NO upcoming events on their website. What does the CCC have to hide? It is perhaps scared of attracting more protesters who disagree with its racist agenda?

Counter-protesting street theater is one thing.

www.slacc.com/stlcofcc/20050505.html -- as an example. However, even at that, the histrionics about "bombs" could have been left at their respective homes.

But crashing a picnic crosses a line of decency and tact. If we learn that various far-left groups are going to have a picnic at a given place/time/day, we sure as Hades won't show up to the venue at all, much less crash it wearing face coverings, donning vinyl signs with curse words, overturning tables in the process.

There's free speech, but there's also a time and a place for everything. An analogue on the "far right," if you will, is the Fred Phelps milieu and his protests at military funerals. I agree with legislation to prohibit protests close to military funerals. Abusing free expression will lead to the end of free expression.

That's the biggest bunch of lies I've seen since Clinton last opened his mouth: "They brought their hockey sticks for self-defense"?

When we wrested those hockey sticks away from them, (after being first assaulted with them,) we didn't even attempt to retaliate in kind, although we'd have been more than justified in doing so.

Next time they will NOT be so fortunate...

Let's see if we can figure this out...

A peaceful organization whose various protests and other events have *never* been marred by unprovoked violence is attacked by a bunch of hockey-stick weilding masked savages in a public park open to all and they don't want to publish thier home addresses and phone numbers on their website...

I suppose for a bunch of posers who claim they
love "diversity" (but not, of course, intellectual diversity-of-thought and especially not for those with unpopular minority viewpoints!) this would be difficult to understand.

And for someone who stupidly wants to try to "dare" those he wishes to attack while they sleep in their homes to publish him directions to the scene of his (next?) crime is possibly the most asinine thing I've ever seen published on the www to-date--and that's really saying something!

We are not marxists, we are not communists, we are anarchists, clearly you're the one calling day night here. We are fighting for a world with oppression of any kind, and your racist group stands in our way. You are nothing but useless old piece of shit racists that want the subjugation of other people under your heel. YOU represent tyranny, not us. We will fight you in the streets and dance on your defeat, because we hold the spirit of humanity, the yearning to be free from the bullshit been drowing people in.

You can obscure the facts all you want and act like your little picnic was just dandy minus this blemish, but we don't believe in your bullshit laws. Leaving before police arrive isn't cowardice, it's rational thinking, unless one is prepared to battle the police, which is totally acceptable. When nazis march in the street (ALL 5 OF THEM!) they have a PHALANX of cops protecting them, when ANY group fighting for social justice or liberation has a gathering, massive police presences come not to protect but to beat down, arrest, and harrass those who are fighting for a better world, regardless of if the activities are illegal or legal. Fuck your racist police and your old fart parade of ignorance, until you stop oppressing other you have not heard the last of the voice of the people.

Actually, when you speak of "groups of five fascists," I assume you mean either the K-People or the N-People. Perhaps why they get cop escorts is because of threats of physical violence against them by your idelogical brethren.

But I'm more interested that you expound on your consternation toward law enforcement. Do tell, and I'm all ears.

I noticed that most of the anarchy nuts were wearing face coverings. You know in some states it's illegal to go to political protests wearing face coverings. Maybe we should look to getting a law like that in Missouri, and maybe this far-left whoopee doo nonsense will stop.

Hell, if I were one of these neighbors, I'd be fuming mad that a group of violent screwballs came around to a nice peaceful gathering with a big sign with a big black cuss word. That and their ozone-depleting fog horns. These kooks aren't family-friendly. Vote Democrat and this is the kind of rabble you support.

A lot of these leftists were carrying around black flags. I know some bug sprays use black flags on their cans. Truth in advertising, maybe?

Now I know why they're so obsessed with the letter "A." That's because their school report cards never had any.

One of our speakers who spoke after our opponents scattered after they got their butts kicked said that he lived under several communist and fascist regimes, and that it was hypocritical for this bunch to bemoan "Nazis" so much when they're replicating Hitler-Brownshirt techniques almost to the letter.

They made off with one of our Confederate flags. Maybe that's not such a bad thing; maybe just the presence of a Southern flag will induce them to learn something and to quit being so idiotic.

Is this the same gang that protested us on May 5, 2005 out in St. Peters? A lot of their signs had invocations to violence. When the St. Louis County Police and the FBI come back to consult with us some more about prosecuting that gang, as I think they will, we should show them the kinds of signs they carried, and maybe that will help the prosecution. One of their signs said "bomb" in an imperative sense; the ATF should know about that too.

Maybe just the presence of a southern flag will make them learn something?!

Laugh of the day. Thanks.

Nice Try Couch, or Doug.

well i am one of the neighbors of this neighborhood, i was extreamly embarresed to show my face after i saw confederet flags at my park saying "get er done", the most hillbilly and racist thing ever utterd. there are blacks bosnians asians etc. in this neighborhood, you can see how this is embarresing. i wasnt shocked to hear this has happend to them before.

Anonyme: Orthography, look it up.

OMG, could there be any more misspelled words in this post? Get a spell check retard. I count 8 misspelled words in your short little post. The odds that you are a local resident and not one of the masked thugs is about 0%. lol!

Good look getting your band of pukes and methheads to ever try attacking us again.

PS the "Anarchist" pukes attacks a bunch of old men wearing ski masks and brandishing hockey sticks as weapons and in a couple minutes flat were running for their lives dropping weapons, banners, masks, and cell phones all along the way.

you don't make a compelling insult of puke/methhead/retard/misspeller when you misspell "good luck" in your own post. i'd recommend you skim through that dictionary yourself first.

Gee whiz, those anarchists ("Marxist dilettantes") sure know how to make fascists whinge, don't they?

;)

St. Louis Independent Media Center. Yeah, independent of what, your brains?

They all think that THEY'RE the ones that are opposing the Powers That Be. Wrong, it's us.

I know that someone on this St. Louis "Independent" Media Center said several months ago that they were happy that some cop in the city was shot.

How funny! That's like the Saddham Hussein, (whose tactics they've adopted,) declaring victory after the First Gulf War...

These nigs, commies and faggots got beaten silly, but they ran away before we could really put a hurt on them. (BIG surprise!)

I know that nigger I punched out will need extensive dental work!

If I weren't more decent and honorable than all of you scumballs, together, I would truly have savaged the lot of you with that hockey stick I wrenched away from one of the girls your "males" eventually abandoned...

Unlike you commies, I don't assault people with weapons.

It really seems this comment deserves hiding. An anonymous member of the CofCC threatening violence, while also spewing slurs? Even dumb racists know better than to express their bigotry openly. If I were a gambler, I'd bet this is just lame baiting.

Raid, Yes, about the cop. Look here:

www.stlimc.org/newswire/display/1160/index.php

yep, that article certainly stinks, just as much as the anonymous jerk who posted it to the newswire, hoping to force this imc offline. the newswire policy was specifically amended so we could take down crap like that.

you can't point at a single post made by a provocateur and say that is what everyone who uses this imc believes. this newswire is specifically set up to allow people to post their stories anonymous, if they so chose. it's sad that a few people seek to abuse that anonymity, whether to slander others or to discredit this forum.

why pay any more attention to the juvenile post of an anonymous coward? whether you like this imc or not, you do yourself little credit by refering to content that is intentionally misleading and deceptive.

Julius Augustus: I tried clicking on that link to that anti-cop post on stlimc, but it has been taken down (curiously). But I found that the St. Louis CofCC copied it word for word, save three letters of a certain four-letter word these people seem to like so much:

countenance.wordpress.com/2006/02/03/the-first-embers/

This blogger didn't copy any comments though. Like this site's admin says above, this is probably a lone nutcase, and perhaps a lot of the comments to this post were boos and hisses.

Come to think of it, if I remember right, this post made local TV news.

That newswire post has indeed been finally deleted, as per the posting policy. Normally, content which runs counter this policy can be "hidden," which means that it is no longer available on the public newswire column.

However, renewed links to this post (such as the one above), do little to promote this imc as an open forum free of abuse, and so it was finally deleted.

Indeed, that very post prompted our creating the current posting policy in the first place.

Hold on guys, I've been thinking that maybe the anarchist's do have a point. After all, this whole supremacy things hasn't exactly proven itself to be very admirable, has it? I mean, look at the group in charge of this country right now. Pretty much all white males, claim to be christians and possess strong family values, and all that talk. Yet look at what they've done. They've eliminated many of the rights that you and I used to enjoy. No more habeous corpus, which came right out of that white invention - the Magna Carta - back when we used to wear those silly white wigs and put baby powder on our faces. What does "freedom" mean if the government no longer offers us protection and has declared itself above the law? And, remember, these were white conservative men that pulled this off. For what it's worth, I just can't see any other races doing this to what was once a great and noble republic.

And look at what else they've done. They've practically looted the treasury dry for their own benefit. These few white families are living high on the hog while all we're getting is what comes out of its tail end. They've played politics with the price of gas and really put a crunch on our already limited family budgets. Don't know about y'all, but it costs me damn near $50 a week to fill up our trucks. They've got our sons and daughters getting killed in huge numbers over in some foreign lands and they can't even admit they were wrong on why our kids are there in the first place. And these are white people doing this to us. So I've been thinking. I've always identified with being a "Concerned" citizen. We have to be vigilant and protect our families and our heritage, for sure. But I've come to realize, especially over the course of the past year, that we're being used to further the interests of a tiny group of elites. Promoting this "white heritage" stuff, given the actions of the white guys in power, really makes us look stupid. Or, at least, stupier than we already are. You may not agree with everything I'm saying right now, but if you think about it you will see that it is true.

So maybe the kids are on to something and their attempts to shake us out of our "good german" stupor is exactly what this country needs right now. After all, at the end, even Hitler turned against his own race. Don't fool yourself by insisting that those Homeland Security Detention Camps are just for non-whites.

Gordon, you can kiss my lily-white ass. Fight The Power!

Nice try, Couch. Or Doug.

I was there. I saw everything. This depiction above the photos is wrong. The anarchists lost, and fled. But it'll only be a matter of time before the cops catch up to them. You never know, if some of them are found to have links to radical Islam, they all could be slumming with their ideological pals over in Gitmo.

The commies really are children.

I guess "pacifism" means as much to Bill Ramsey (see above)as "Anarchy" means to these little commie dilettantes...

The authorship of the original story above was ultimately verifed to be false, as described below.

That "neighbor" ashamed to show her face should move to north St. Louis where she'd have a much better reason to fear showing her face...She'd be raped, killed and eaten!

Have you ever been to north St. Louis? (Driving around in a vehicle doesn't count -- get out and walk around with some of us residents.) Probably not. Dumbasses like you are all talk.

"She'd be raped, killed and eaten????"

Damn, so you think there are cannibals in North City? Do you just think that because there are many poor, predominantly black neighborhoods there? I thought racism like yours had fallen out of fashion by the 1800's.

Hey Bill!

ANY time.

Dreaming of it you "pacifist"...

Geez. We've got a disturbance over at 10880 west florissant if any of you boys can pull yourself off the computer long enough to actually work around here. And could you pick up a box of chocolate iced custard filleds if it's not asking too much?

though i may not agree with what happened or the beliefs of this group, i will support their right to say what they want. we have our military fighting and dying to give us the right to say and believe what we want, and to have something like this happen makes me sick. to say that you are american and then attack your fellow neighbors because they don't believe what you do is not only upsetting, it is wrong. if these people were truly americans they would realize that the constitution gives this group the right so say and believe what they want, when they want, where they want, and for however long they feel is necessary. the "anarchist" group that showed up, showed up with the soul purpose of starting shit. that is the only reason. what they did was not only wrong, but illegal. the cops were supposed to remain unbiased yet they did not. many of them were suposedly taking the side of the "anarchists". i'm not saying this to me mean, but because it is the truth. Those cops should be stripped of their badges!

not that i'm proud of anything i'm about to write, but i'm sorry, probably one of the greatest american victories is world war ii and in case you've forgotten one of main things that happened in that war america declared itself at war with Nazism and capital 'F' Fascism, so probably at anytime that white supremacists, nazis or fascists are confronted the average citizen probably supports it in some way or may contrue it as patriotic since we were all hit over the head with that bullshit when we were kids. just for the record: beatings nazis, not neccessarially un-american.

fuck yeah! solidarity from north carolina.
keep runnin' em out and count on us to do the same.

Funny, I was there and I don't remember it happening this way. I am 19 years old and my father is Gordon Lee Baum. I pulled up in my car with my little sister just as this mob of "Anarchists" came walking up the street (I was in the black Mustang if any of you little snots are reading this). First of all we are not Nazis. That is ridiculous. There are Jews in the CofCC, I have friends that are Jewish, my dad has close friends that are Jewish, one man there has KIDS that are Jewish. So calling us Nazis is RIDICULOUS! Not only are there Jews in the CofCC, there is every other race you can think of. I am part American Indian... do you think my dad hates me? Anyway, back to the fight. So, I pull up as they are coming into the parking lot. I see them in their black outfits, masks, bullhorns, hockey sticks, and other various weapons. I park and get out of my car, look towards the pavilion, and I see my MOM being pushed to the ground. My mom is 5'0" tall, 55 years old, oh yeah and a woman and these assholes are pushing her down. They had stormed a pavilion full of old people (yes old as in 90, i.e. look at the picture above), knocked over a table, and stormed into them like they were demons out of hell. If you saw your mom being pushed down by a bunch of nutty "have no life" fruits you'd get pissed... just like me. I ran up there to see these kids pushing around old people and hitting people with hockey sticks. So I jumped in and started to beat the living shit out of them. I was in high heels, am also 5' tall like my mom and only weigh 100 pounds, but if I see someone hurting my family they will regret messing with me. Just like these assholes did. They RAN. Like COWARDS. According to this article my dad started the brawl. HAHAHAHA you have to be kidding. Whoever wrote this should've checked up on their facts. My dad is 66 years old, has diabetes, has had lung cancer, heart surgery, oh yeah AND IS BLIND. Yeah I'm sure he started the whole thing. Dumbasses. Regardless though, my dad did approach one kid. About 20, 6' tall, kinda lanky that was with this bunch of nuts, and asked him why they had come and done this. You know what the kid did? Begged me and my dad not to hit him. He begged a blind old man and a little girl not to hit him. We hadn't touched him, he was just a COWARD. They did not kick our asses. Far from it. They were the ones who got scared and ran. They started something they couldn't finish. I guess they'll think twice before trying to kick some more senior citizens asses. What it boils down to it this. Those kids don't know what they are talking about. They write up some clever signs like "Fuck You" and yel Nazi and think they sound intelligent. You don't. You're the type of trash the world needs to get rid of. Oh yeah, and the "innocent bystander" the cops arrested? Yeah, they caught him because one of the neighbors, not even with the CofCC, saw him running and through off his mask. This whole article is lies. The police know the truth. It will come out. Don't worry. One more thing: Anarchy is the lamest philosophical idea anyone has ever come up with, if you can even call it that. It would never work, everyone knows that. And anyway if they are anarchists why should they care about what we think anyway since they are all into having no rules and blah blah blah? Cuz they're losers who REALLY need to get a life and go join the Army. Maybe then they'll get shipped to Iraq and step on a landmine. Ha, that'd be funny. See ya!

The trouble with "anarchy" as these folks promote it is that it always leads to tyranny, which would seem to contradict their "anarchist" intentions.

However, when these people say "anarchy," they don't mean it in the sense of governmental power and involvement into the lives of its country's citizens and guests. They mean "anarchy" in the sense that they want to be liberated from the "oppression" of non-governmental authority (i.e. religion, common decency, ethics, etc.)

An "anarchist" would have a bumper sticker that reads, "Question Authority." Right wingers would have a bumper sticker that reads "Question Authorities." Authority vs. Authorities...it's a very important distinction that begs a great difference.

Laura Leigh is my new hero!

She has a Mustang, so I'd like to get her one of those "Question Authorities" bumper stickers spoken of above for her 'Stang.

I'm sorry but I just have to add comments as I read down the list of other comments. First of all though, who took those pictures of the "anarchists" at the park? It couldn't possibly of been those 2 bitches that said they weren't with the "anarchists" could it? I mean sure they were sitting in the exact same place that someone would have to of been to take these pictures, and sure there were neighbors that testified to the cops that she ran with that crowd. But no it couldn't of been them. Also, someone said in a comment that the "anarchists" brought hockey sticks to protect themselves because the CofCC has a violent history. Huh, I remember them using the hockey sticks to tear down our stuff before anyone antagonized them. They didn't bring them for protection, they brought them so they could be the violent ones. And ummm about the CofCC being violent. Wrong Again. Not True. They are not the KKK or skinheads or Nazis or whatever, they have no violent past. Even those who don't like them say their power isn't from violence. Its just not true. Wow, whoever wrote this must be trying to reach the gullible crowd... like the anarchists. Only they would believe something before checking the facts and analyzing it.

What's that comment about North St. Louis mean anyway? I lived in North County till I was 15... are you saying none of us have ever been there and only hear myths about it or something? We moved out because the myths are true. It's bad, and if your white you don't want to live there. Move to St. Charles... its so much nicer here.

I moved into north St. Louis (city, not county) because the lies aren't true. I've never had better neighbors or more peace and quiet. People here are self-reliant and morally upright. Sad that some selfish and proud people have abandoned us.

I lived in St. Charles and hated it. If I wanted to live somewhere where every teenager has a drug problem because there is no sense of community, I'd move back there!

These commies wouldn't know Karl Marx from Groucho...

Apparently, they don't have the sense to know when they've had their silly asses beaten, either...

It's a sad day in this country that we call America, when a gang of young, hippie yuppie Marxists pull a Ruby Ridge in Affton, Missouri, but get beat back by a group of senior citizens.

Don't you feel sorry for their sorrowful asses? Ha ha. Maybe this is a lesson well learned that cannot be learned in any liberal classroom they sit in.

i find it entirely reasonable to believe that "Landers Hall" is in fact CCC headman, Gordon Lee Baum (attorney-at-law), and is 'innocently' posting his own website as a way to lure people into visiting it, only to track them through their IP address, hence the name. Please, don't disregard this post or delete it. I feel i'm not being paranoid but very close to correct in this situation. For those of you who are unaware, Gordon Lee (attorney-at-law) fancies himself a man of the law and may very well have a few tricks up his sleeve when "Landers Hall" posts things like "But I'm more interested that you expound on your consternation toward law enforcement."
This is an interesting thread, let's just not have it ruined by Gordon Lee . . . attorney-at-law.

Obviously you didn't read laura's post her dad is BLIND so he couldn't have done those posts!

how exactly does he run a website then?

The concept of harvesting your people's IP addresses and reverse-engineering them to yield addresses is something that is wrong, and immoral, and an incredible invasion of privacy. And, in the case of anarchists, it's unnecessary, for even if you tried, you'd get a whole lot of Cherokee() & Minnesota.

why are people playing into their game of grammar and trying to prove whose better by how well each of us has managed to master some stupid lanuguage? they're fucking white supremacists! can't people find anything original to insult them on that isn't based on stupid stereotypes of rural / poor people or trying to prove you're smarter (as though that proves anything.)

i imagine they're just a bunch of middle-aged (or older - even sadder) folks who've accomplished close to nothing in their lives and can find nothing better to do than make idle threats (loaded with fucked-up, inflamatory language) during their boringly long days at work.

from the looks of it, saturday has shown that if the ccc ever tries to fuck with us, it won't take much more than a few 'tittie-twisters' to over-power them.

Yes, how dare these people be middle aged or older. I guess all that experience isn't worth a warm bucket of expectorate.

What Saturday showed is that when you stand up to the fringe left and its brownshirt tactics, they'll scatter, and you'll get to enjoy the rest of your picnic.

Why have some of posts that used lanuguage like "faggot" and "nigger" been deleted? I thought it did an excellent job of showing up disgusting and ugly these folks really are. It would have been nice to have them juxstaposed against their later claims of not being prejudicial and in fact, actualy being buddy-buddy with jews and minorities (wtf???)

the editorial collective seeks to adhere to its own newswire posting policy. here are relevant criteria for hiding comments, excerpted from that policy, which must be applied dispassionately for it to be effective.

* Posts which are obviously incorrect or misleading. This includes attempts to spread dis-information or to impersonate another individual.
* Posts that contain generalized and negative assertions about any race, nation, creed, class, ethnic group, sexual orientation, etc.
* Posts that advocate the mass physical elimination of a specific race, nation, creed, class, ethnic group, sexual orientation, etc, or that promotes websites that advocate the same.
* Posts that treat the Newswire as a personal "bulletin board" with non-political content directed at one or another Newswire participants.

there are better ways to argue or debate than to resort to racial slurs and threats of violence. furthermore, since the collective devotes time and other resources to keep this site online, we put this policy in place specifically to prevent the imc from being used to promote hate speech.

in other words, we don't see the point of letting racists use our site to illustrate in vulgar terms that they are indeed racist. this been shown numerous times to be counter-productive.

Look at that no rules against anti-wimmin comments thats fucked up yo.

-kill cops

if there was an entire posting filled with oppressive language i'd say delete, but if comments throughout a broader conversation are sprinkled with racial slurs and homophobic and mysogonist remarks, it's only showing their true colors.

(i have the feeling very few people who normally check this site will be swayed by oppressive language and will only further be inspired to fight the threat of racism / xenophobia / homophobia that the ccc promotes.)

please, please, everyone! stop accusing us of being communists. we've already contributed a lot of time to a rather lengthy discussion about communism (specifically maoism.)

www.stlimc.org/newswire/display/1270/index.php

good eats!

Well, Saddham Hussein claimed "victory" after the 1st Gulf War, so I guess these commies have gone and done likewise...

they obviously don't know that the true definition of fascism is the consolodation of power between the government and corporate elites. i hope those good ol boys have fun every time they want to meet and bitch about non whites being admitted into "their" park. like right when the youth come and tell them whats up. keep up the good work anti fascists and to all you conservative, white supremisists; FUCK OFF!!!
oh, and to all you white supremisists who know "so much" about anarchism and seem to think that it is synonomous with state communism and tyrany, (a fallacy of epic perportions) here is one of the best definitions of anarchism, writen by an anarchist, namely peter kropotkin, and published in the 11th edition of the encyclopedia britanica. OH MY!! it contradicts what you say anarchism is!! and i thought you were all so intelligent since you've had the confederate flag to learn from. "we are not nazis, we just believe in segregation and racial survitude!" damn, if you ccc bunch arn't nazis, you're at least a bunch of stupid crackers, and i don't mean saltines.

"Anarchism",
from The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1910.

ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is conceived without government - harmony in such a society being obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority, but by free agreements concluded between the various groups, territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being. In a society developed on these lines, the voluntary associations which already now begin to cover all the fields of human activity would take a still greater extension so as to substitute themselves for the state in all its functions. They would represent an interwoven network, composed of an infinite variety of groups and federations of all sizes and degrees, local, regional, national and international temporary or more or less permanent - for all possible purposes: production, consumption and exchange, communications, sanitary arrangements, education, mutual protection, defence of the territory, and so on; and, on the other side, for the satisfaction of an ever-increasing number of scientific, artistic, literary and sociable needs. Moreover, such a society would represent nothing immutable. On the contrary - as is seen in organic life at large - harmony would (it is contended) result from an ever-changing adjustment and readjustment of equilibrium between the multitudes of forces and influences, and this adjustment would be the easier to obtain as none of the forces would enjoy a special protection from the state.

If, it is contended, society were organized on these principles, man would not be limited in the free exercise of his powers in productive work by a capitalist monopoly, maintained by the state; nor would he be limited in the exercise of his will by a fear of punishment, or by obedience towards individuals or metaphysical entities, which both lead to depression of initiative and servility of mind. He would be guided in his actions by his own understanding, which necessarily would bear the impression of a free action and reaction between his own self and the ethical conceptions of his surroundings. Man would thus be enabled to obtain the full development of all his faculties, intellectual, artistic and moral, without being hampered by overwork for the monopolists, or by the servility and inertia of mind of the great number. He would thus be able to reach full individualization, which is not possible either under the present system of individualism, or under any system of state socialism in the so-called Volkstaat (popular state).

The anarchist writers consider, moreover, that their conception is not a utopia, constructed on the a priori method, after a few desiderata have been taken as postulates. It is derived, they maintain, from an analysis of tendencies that are at work already, even though state socialism may find a temporary favour with the reformers. The progress of modern technics, which wonderfully simplifies the production of all the necessaries of life; the growing spirit of independence, and the rapid spread of &ee initiative and free understanding in all branches of activity - including those which formerly were considered as the proper attribution of church and state - are steadily reinforcing the no-government tendency.

As to their economical conceptions, the anarchists, in common with all socialists, of whom they constitute the left wing, maintain that the now prevailing system of private ownership in land, and our capitalist production for the sake of profits, represent a monopoly which runs against both the principles of justice and the dictates of utility. They are the main obstacle which prevents the successes of modern technics from being brought into the service of all, so as to produce general well-being. The anarchists consider the wage-system and capitalist production altogether as an obstacle to progress. But they point out also that the state was, and continues to be, the chief instrument for permitting the few to monopolize the land, and the capitalists to appropriate for themselves a quite disproportionate share of the yearly accumulated surplus of production. Consequently, while combating the present monopolization of land, and capitalism altogether, the anarchists combat with the same energy the state, as the main support of that system. Not this or that special form, but the state altogether, whether it be a monarchy or even a republic governed by means of the referendum.

The state organization, having always been, both in ancient and modern history (Macedonian Empire, Roman Empire, modern European states grown up on the ruins of the autonomous cities), the instrument for establishing monopolies in favour of the ruling minorities, cannot be made to work for the destruction of these monopolies. The anarchists consider, therefore, that to hand over to the state all the main sources of economical life - the land, the mines, the railways, banking, insurance, and so on - as also the management of all the main branches of industry, in addition to all the functions already accumulated in its hands (education, state-supported religions, defence of the territory, etc.), would mean to create a new instrument of tyranny. State capitalism would only increase the powers of bureaucracy and capitalism. True progress lies in the direction of decentralization, both territorial and functional, in the development of the spirit of local and personal initiative, and of free federation from the simple to the compound, in lieu of the present hierarchy from the centre to the periphery.

In common with most socialists, the anarchists recognize that, like all evolution in nature, the slow evolution of society is followed from time to time by periods of accelerated evolution which are called revolutions; and they think that the era of revolutions is not yet closed. Periods of rapid changes will follow the periods of slow evolution, and these periods must be taken advantage of - not for increasing and widening the powers of the state, but for reducing them, through the organization in every township or commune of the local groups of producers and consumers, as also the regional, and eventually the international, federations of these groups.

In virtue of the above principles the anarchists refuse to be party to the present state organization and to support it by infusing fresh blood into it. They do not seek to constitute, and invite the working men not to constitute, political parties in the parliaments. Accordingly, since the foundation of the International Working Men's Association in 1864-1866, they have endeavoured to promote their ideas directly amongst the labour organizations and to induce those unions to a direct struggle against capital, without placing their faith in parliamentary legislation.

peace and anok
and lets sing bella ciao to these racist crackers!!

I KNOW there are cannibals in north St. Louis, just as there are in much of black Africa. (A proud culture, indeed!)

It wasn't too long ago that two north St. Louis nigroes fought to the death over the last piece of fried chicken during some drunken nigro holiday or other.

The victor slew his opponent with a butcher knife, then dunked that last piece of chicken in his deceased friend's blood and consumed it.

As Stymie's Uncle put it: "Yum, yum, eat 'em up."

This post is just ridiculous. It has been put up for the sole purpose of agitating and offending (i.e. agitprop), since I seriously doubt it reflects the beliefs of the author. This forum allows people to post anonymously, so anyone can post anything, and clearly some choose to abuse that to their own ends. Although I see posters wanting racists to essentially express their racism on this page, what’s the point of that really? A Google search of the CoCC yields plenty sources explaining the group’s background. Why encourage them to pollute another medium with their tripe?

Benjamin W., what you should do is use a search engine (I don't use G****e as a synonym for internet search; they don't need a monopoly) for CofCC and go to official CofCC websites, and not ADL/SPLC tripe; maybe then you'll learn something.

To spare you the effort, I'll give you a head start:

www.cofcc.org
www.slacc.com/stlcofcc
countenance.wordpress.com
www.heritagelost.org
www.micofcc.org/

Let's dispense with this laughable notion that these commies are "anarchists."

If there were no law or legal authority, we CofCC members could exterminate every one of you by November. (I can shoot a quarter at 100 yards, and I know several better shots than myself in the organization...)

Fortunately, we are prevented from doing so by the criminal law and restrained by our consciences.

These commies want more government than most Americans (or even other commmies!) have ever dreamed of. They just don't like the government we currently have, because it is controlled primarily by those dreaded Republicans...

if anarchists are secretly communists in disguise, how come communists killed and caged anarchists in almost ever major revolution of the 20th century?

and what does it say about you that you need the threat of being killed or incarcerated to keep you from satisfying your sick blood-lust?

Earl, you just don't comprehend the patent and fundamental nature of anarchy. If we anarchists had our way, you would not have had the opportunity to beat us up like you did, or do some of the more virulent things you say you could have done in the absence of rule of law.

If anarchy carried the cay, there would be no Council of Conservative Citizens, no anarchist groups, and ergo no reason for anarchist groups to crash CofCC picnics. There would be the whole of humanity unfettered by rules, regulations, religion, ethics, moral constraints, culture, organizations, and other nasty niceties like those. John Lennon's musical manifesto outlined it best.

By the way, all prisoners are by definition political prisoners, because it's the dirty, rotten, stinking extreme political system run by the Nazi Ku Klux Klan that created rules to begin with. Even if the rule or the law is not explicitly or expediently political, it is political simply because politics made the rules.

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in years: It does NOT surprise me that you silly, intellectually vacuuous children get your philosophy of government from John Lennon. Now I've heard it all.

Btw, if there were no laws or moral authority, every weak and powerless individual would be at the mercy of any of society's sociopaths...

Come to think of it, since you commies ARE sociopaths, maybe you fantasize that you'd be top dog, instead of living in a hovel on Cherokee() St. without adequate sanitation or gainful employment.

i agree

Blink's right, Earl. Under true anarchy, there is no violence. Our sign read "No One Is Illegal," but it should have said more than that: There is no such thing as illegal, because there is no such thing as legal, because law does not exist.

The word is coming down from Dees: CCC is at the center of it all, and controls everything we don't like. Neutralize CCC and the whole rotten repressive system comes tumbling down, and paradise will follow in earnest.

My department is working on a major paper which will probably be turned into a book, maybe we can look into Dees helping us publish it. It's tentatively titled: SECRET CONSPIRACIES OF THE CofCC.

My advisors have discovered that the CofCC is directing the CIA (which is a CofCC front anyway) to leverage vector microwave radiation upwards from many points on Earth to force resistance on the group of spaceships that Pastor Farrakhan has proven that orbit the earth at a 40 mile altitude, to keep them from landing on Earth and passing judgment on the whole repressive system, and finally bringing about paradise.

I know how it's all going down now.

(C)entral Intelligen(C)e Agen(C)y = CCC

CIA=CofCC

All that money the CIA is making from street corner drug deals is going into the GOLD CREDIT CARD of CofCC ceo. Thats what I'm worried about.

oh and in reference to the nazi brownshirt/anarchist connection, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE BEYOND WHAT YOUR CONFEDERATE FLAG TAUGHT YOU?!?!?! the nazi brownshirts, (hitler got his start as a leader of a brownshirt gang and so did mussalini) funded by powerful corporate, business and religious interests, attacked labor,human rights and ANARCHIST groups FIGHTING injustice. when it comes to ideology, the white supremisists are a hell of a lot closer to the brownshirts then the anarchists, seeing as the anarchists were some of the most bitter enemies of the fascists. you white supremisists need to actually READ and LEARN about historical events before you rant about them, but maybe i'm just one of those uppity northern "book readers". thankfully i live in an area where reading doesn't get you weird looks and racist religious fundimentalism does and a whole lot more.

ONWARD TO SOCIAL REVOLUTION!!
TO PEACE,
TO DIRECT DEMOCRACY,
TO ANARCHY!!!

As I was reading your post, I couldn't help but remember the image of Hugo Chavez holding up that Noam Chomsky book while speaking to the UN; though I thought Noel Ignatiev would be more his flavor.

The hypocrisy of Chavez doing so is that he himself hates Jews, and is provoking anti-Semitic violence in Venezuela.

Hi, for the past half-century or so I've been toying with the idea of updating one of my classics, The Kallikak Family: A Study in the Heredity of Feeble-Mindedness, though I've been stumped by the lack of an adequate subject on which to update my theories on hereditary degeneracy. Tonite, though, I was fortunate enough perchance to have stumbled upon this thread and after reading of the Baum family, well, I can only relate my experience as one of those Eureka moments I haven't encountered since I came up with the idea of examining immigrants at Ellis Island in order to protect the racial stock of America (post-genocide, that is.)

Reading Miss Leigh's abbreviated family history was like a revelation to me. The Baum Family: An Updated Study in the Heredity of Feeble-mindedness has all the makings of another American classic. Having previously examined several intelligence reports on the Baum patriarch, I was already quite aware of signs of his degeneracy, though, I must admit, the thought of investigating his geneology or lineage never really inspired me (much like his mental defective ravings). But Laura, making a mind-numbing introduction of the type that just begs for the reintroduction of eugenics legislation, has sealed the deal for me. Maybe it was the line "You're the type of trash the world needs to get rid of" that rang the bell. I am most interesting now in gathering as much data as I can, initially focusing on interviews and local records of all living descendants along this line. I am convinced that even a cursory investigation will indicate a multigenerational lineage of feeble-mindedness and similar degeneracies. (For those readers unconvinced, you have at your fingertips a great resource for pulling up articles by, of, and featuring Gordon Baum which should be enough to convince any individual of even marginal intelligence.)

Anyhow, there are Baum families are all around us (I'm sure I don't have to tell those of you who live in Jefferson County) and until we decide to resurrect the necessary institutions for eliminating these defectives from the general population, our society will suffer. My recommendations are three, from which I have found to be most practical.

1. See to it that mentally defective families (e.g., The Baums) are put in a position where their lives are guided by intelligent people

2. Consign such people to colonies of morons, where they are separated from the normal public and denied the ability to procreate, or

3. Legislate and enforce surgical sterilization, preventing futher generations of imbeciles and social deviants.

The first option does have its drawbacks, placing a greater burden on the general public, though it may be the most humanitarian of the three (for those who feel that high-grade defectives still deserve our compassion).

The second option, of course, also places a burden on the state, though, as a burgeoning industry it may create a significant amount of jobs across virtually the entire nation. There are a lot of morons, remember. My projections are that this option will reduce the moron population by approximately two-thirds, which, while still leaving a residue in our ranks, does effectively get the levels of degenerates down to a manageable number. Perhaps this could work with in tandem with the first option, selecting the least defective for social rehabilitation programs, while isolating and, essentially, neutralizing the remainder.

The third option is the most cost effective of the bunch. We've had forced sterilization in this country before, roughly from 1907 to 1968, and, as most of the earlier efforts won in progressive and civil rights movements have already been or are in the process of being rolled back (and I do hope that we stop sometime prior to reaching a feudal state), I am sure that public tolerance for such laws will be forthcoming, if not already existing. I have some ideas on model legislation that I can put forth in another post, however, my point is that, in addition to being economical, sterialization is also permanent. So it is conceivable that, in this instance, were we to have examined the Baum family in previous generations, we could have prevented another generation of feeble-mindedness and it's further contamination of the what used to be a noble racial stock.

Satire aside, eugenics is nasty business. It is precisely this sort of intolerance than lets racism and other forms of hate proliferate in the first place. Over time and with encouragement, some racists can adopt better opinions of society. Others won't, and you have to accept them as the warts of humanity.

Reading your stupid comments on the baum family I can tell you do not know what you are talking about. I bet you are a guy who sits in your tiny apartment peaking out your window at little boys wacking off.

The average college-educated individual over 50 recognizes that the average college "student" of today knows less about comparative political economics than the average high school graduate of 50 years ago. It is painfully evident in some of these posts.

The fact that communists caged and killed anarchists in the 20th Century is irrelevant, since they did it to EVERY group or individual posing an threat to the effectuation of their communist revolution, even to other communists.(Stalin's murder of Trotsky, for example.)

Stalin referred to people like you as "useful idiots," who he planned to hang first, even before the capitalists...)

Yes these anrachist will be the first people put down if there were ever to be a successfull communist revolution.
Communist always eleminate their former allies, as these people are among the few non-communist in any population who are ALWAYS inclined to revolt, as in "Question Authority"
That is why the sailors of the 1917 revoluiton were liquidated and also why Stalin let the Nazis wipe out the Polish uprising in 1944. Stalin didn't want to have to deal with Polish revolutionaires when he occupied the country.
In short, the communist will first eleiminate any non-communist leftist group that has practised revolution.

Yo, Henry!

Gordon Baum belongs to Mensa, and his I.Q. has been tested at 146.

I won't read the rest of your depraved rantings, since they are the product of an unsound (and dishonest) mind...

Yo, @andy:

We're not "whinging," (whatever that is.)

We're laughing, high-fiving, and champing at the bit for another opportunity...

yr also not posting yr pictures of the event, or even claiming anything happened? explain.

it seems like we had a civil war reinactment down in south county saturday, a spanish civil war reinactment.

It's a shame that you airheads don't have the mental capacity to understand the consequences of your own actions and advocacy.

Please, you ladies of the group, don't procreate and raise any children to be as backwards as yourselves.

Civil War....hm, maybe we can look into that.

...That non-government of the anarchists, by the anarchists, and for the anarchists, shall not perish from the Earth.

Yay South (St. Louis)!

Yo, Henry!

Does this mean Gordon must resign from Mensa?

Oh no, that can't happen! If he does, then he won't get the Mensa magazine anymore, which means he won't get their chess strategies, which means that States Rights Norm will win every chess match.

All the CofCC members who also belong to Mensa could have their own picnic. If the goober and airhead mob shows up again, then we'll win based on aggregate IQ even if there are 100 of them.

You're really embarrasing me. God damn, some times I hate you for ever getting me messed up with all of these stupid fuckwits. What in the hell is this "Mensa" crap? You're insane and you're making me wish that it was you who never "procreated." Look at the infantile comments on this page. Just look at them. Nearly every single degenerate remark is coming from your side. Yes, your side, because I'm siding with the anarchists now. You want to see "goobers"? Read the posts here. For christ's sake, even junior high students can speak more intelligibly than these morons. Yes, morons. God, how blind I was. The problem is not with the color of anybody's skin, the problem is largely centered around issues of class and exploitation. Gordon knows what I'm talking about, but as long as he has some power over a group of stupid, accomodating muthafuckas like all ya'll, he's not going to let you in on the secret. You're being used. Gordon doesn't care about you. He's screwing you over so he can play his little ego thing. Hobknobbing with other white "conservative" men, and "conservative" only in the sense of conserving power for themselves, a bit of the old pokey-pokey with the boys and such, whatever, as long as he continues to run a scam that creates wedge issues which prevent the community from ever becoming unified and achieving democratic institutions that actually serve the interests of the people in the communities. Can't you see that it's a big con? Look at the retards that post here in defense of Gordon. They're hardly capable of putting together a coherent thought, much less a reasoned argument. Well, I'm getting tired of it. You're really disgusting, mom. And don't try to blame it on the meth or that Gordon's threatened to beat the living shit out of you again. We're all responsible for our actions. I've made my decision. It's time for you to make yours.

We were minding our own business, and didn't have an opportunity to get our cameras out, because we were too busy kicking commie ass!

To my knowledge, we have no pics.

If you look carefully, you'll see that your team has carefully culled any "action" photos, and for good reason: The commies got savaged worse than the Japs on Guadalcanal!

"And one stripped of his cane he was using as a weapon"

So you guys are bragging about attacking an old man with a cane?

They forgot to come fully equipped -- they forgot their brains. Next time, maybe they'll bring some, and then they'll be dangerous.

You punk pussys forgot to mention how a bunch of old men and girls kicked your asses. Come down to the south and try that PUSSYS

You are a bigger joke than the cartoon!

My oh my. I feel like I have just entered a highschool football rally. It is unfortunate I was not present at this rally. I enjoy a talk with the facist regime. ANy more white power bar-b-ques? I would love to attend so you can hear why I believe racism is a horrible war that reminds me of hanging "witches" because they could swim.
How about a adult conversation on the matters at hand? I would like to hear your side. I would aslo like you to hear mine.
But the childish rants are just making you more of a fool. If you talk such a big game let me know where your next gathering will be. I will not disappoint.

DD

And, it seems we've had much the better of it on these posts, as well.

Guess the commies are "in hospital" (as the Brits say...)

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Oh you poor babies. Still wet behind the ears. The shitpot ring is still on your ass. Don't you do yourself proud. Yeah right.

Bring that hypocritical cock-sucker Bill Ramsey, next time, will you?

I'll wear the same red shirt for identification...