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Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

an account from one person who attended the counter-demonstration in Collinsville to the anti-illegal immigrant rally.
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Things have been heating up across the country due to all the uproar about immigration issues, such as the bill HR4437, and the current vigilante-style "minuteman project".

Recently about 5,000 people came out in support of immigrants downtown at kiener plaza on April 9th. And there have been calls for a general strike on May 1st, which L.A. port drivers have already said they will be taking part in.
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Some of us in STL heard that some people organzied a very small anti-illegal immigrant rally in Collinsville Illinois, and we're going to do so again one week later.

So we got some banners and black, and red & black flags together (along with an upside down american flag with "no borders" across the front of it) to counter the class traitors that we're organizing the rally.
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We in particular do not care if someone has legal papers or not. We feel people should be able to determine what they do with their own lives. Plus we have no respect for the law, the state or the economy.

As workers, we have way more in common with the exploited in and outside of our country than the ruling class of this nation, or it's lackeys. So about 10 of us turned up in Collinsville, and we're going to counter the anti-illegal immigrant rally, but they (being one person) left. So we just stood on the corner with our signs anyway.
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Then, a few hours later, we heard they we're back on a different corner - a total of 4 of them. So we went over there to disrupt and block their protest, our banners and flags being larger than theirs.

We also brought a boom-box and drowned them out with the moving sounds of Sepultura (a brazillian metal band).

Some people yelled at us, some people yelled at them, some people supported us, some people supported them, a few were confused as to which side we we're taking since we we're side by side with the people we were countering.
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Some nice teenagers brought us a bunch of bottled water which we we're thankful for.

We're pretty sure that we humiliated and frustrated them enough that they won't try it again. So all in all it was a fun and successful counter-demonstration. And we know that this is just the beginning of resistance to the precarious lives we all lead together and that more demonstrations and resistance will pop up.

((pictures of the event will be posted soon, we ran out of film before we confronted the anti-immigrant crowd - so, no pictures of them))
 
 

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what the banners said

amongst the flags we brought, some of the banners which we're brought out said such things as:
"immigrant worker, citizen worker, we are all exploited"
"keep 'coming to america' - neil diamond"
"class war not race war"
"immigrants welcome"
"we are all illegals"
"i love my immigrant husband"
and a banner that was unfurled whenever people we're being assholes to us was "it takes courage to live with you assholes"
 

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Can't we all just get along? I love my Mexican slaves, and they love me. I pay them $5.00 per day and they work their butts off. I've only killed and raped a few of them when they piss me off. Their country sucks, who wouldn't want to come here. The only problem is this: The Mexican "Culture" includes laziness, stealing, littering, raping, and just plain being dirty and greasy. This is completely opposite of what the American culture is about. Our forefathers worked VERY hard to build the success of our country. Coming to this country started out very peaceful with the existing residents, but soon failed because of the violent actions of a small group. Today, if others want to come here and work hard to earn their success, that is fine, do it legally. It isn’t that hard. Don't come here and steal my money and rape our Government supplied benefits. Just as with a business, a country succeeds when there is structure. Government doesn't just happen, it occurs because the people choose it. Granted, there are “politicians” who take advantage of the people, but let God judge them... oh, wait... if you are anti-government, you are probably anti-God, so... let the devil judge them... wait, can there be a devil if there is no God? Why are we all so angry? If you don’t like government then move to a country that has no government. Heck, if you think that the US Government is bad, you SHOULD move to IRAQ. Their previous “government” would kill you for holding up your signs.

Bottom line: immigrants are welcome in this country if they are willing to go through the process of legalization and are willing to work just as hard as I did to get where I am. I used the welfare system to put me through college, but now I’m paying that back through taxes. If you are not thankful for the privileges that this country affords you, then kindly and peacefully move away.
 

A dialogue

The following is a conversation I overheard between someone holding the upsidedown american flag and a concerned citizen.
It should be noted the confrontation occurred AFTER the anti-immagration folks left, so the citizen may not have known why there were people standing around with black flags and such....

Excuse, me! Hey! Hey! Do you think you have the RIGHT to treat that flag like that!?

Yeah. Why?

Have you ever risked your LIFE to defend that flag?!

No, it's a piece of shit flag. Why would I want to do that?

Piece of shit? My son is over in Iraq RIGHT NOW defending your right to do this! My husband-

well, that's great, but I didn't ask him to. And the few rights I have left I'm taking care of myself.

what? hey! and get that flag off the ground. A piece of shit? *walking away* YOU'RE a piece of shit!

You're a piece of shit.

*turning around* what? what did you call me?

A piece of shit.

You just have no respect! My son is fighting for your freedoms, and here you are-

Just tell him next time they let you talk to him, I don't need it.

He'll do it anyway!

No thanks!

He would. Even for a piece of shit like you!

You're SON's a piece of shit!
 

Re: A dialogue

<i>You're SON's a piece of shit!</i>

Aw, c'mon -- you had me on your side until that remark!
 

Re: A dialogue

Not everything was so heated at the immagration rally. I overheard this conversation:

Middle aged man from a large truck:"Don't you have anything better to do on a Saturday!?"

Pro-illegal-imagration protester:"Like drive around?"

Man in truck (looking confused):"Yeah."

And here was another good one:

Man in truck (not the same):"Go home, asshole!"

pro-illegal-immagrant protester, after a full day of being outside: "I'm about to!"
 

Re: A dialogue

that's awesome, i would've said the same thing. if you actually have a son in iraq, sorry to say he's not fighting for anyone's freedom he's fighitng to further the interests of corporations and make PROFITS for already very rich people. That's what our country's founded on, it is a piece of shit, FULL FREEDOM WITHOUT COMRPROMISE!
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

My son is fighting for your freedoms

should've asked her exactly what freedoms were being won (or even protected/defended) by her son being part of the illegal & immoral occupation of a sovereign nation.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

You guys need to get a life and some respect. Yes we are a country of immigrants. We are NOT a country of illegal immigrants. Most of the cultures that immigrated here came through ellis island legally. And if you hate this country soooo much then get the hell out. Go live in mexico. And if yoiu act this way there they will just shoot you. They dont give you freedoms to be ungrateful moron. Like america does.We are at war and your activities during this time of war could be considered treason. If this was WWII you would have been jailed. And I live in collinsville and let me tell you if I see this crap with all the disrespect youll have a mob of large patriotic pissed Italian/American guys to deal with! So I dare you to have another one and tell the date. We will make sure it doesnt last long. Trust ME!
 

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Yes we are a country of immigrants.

actually, we are settler colonists. calling ourselves immigrants ignores a much larger & uncomfortable context.

We are at war and your activities during this time of war could be considered treason.

good one. seems to be a rightwing talking point nowadays, used to deflect blame from the actual parties that should be tried for treason, like the president & his sycophants who have violated the spirit & laws of the constitution in a trumped up unlimited fake war on a noun, etc…

if I see this crap with all the disrespect

what disrespect? toward anti-immigrant xenophobes? toward the u.s. flag? toward italian/american guys?

do you think that your implied threats of violence intimidates anyone? pshaw. it makes you look like a very little man. shame on you, bonehead.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

I have family fighting in Iraq. I have friends who have died for the cause. If you want things to change you cannot bash your homeland to do it. The fact of the matter is that "illegal" means against the law. We have these laws for a reason. There is great strain on our country due to the influx of these people. The problem isnt the United States. The problem is the mexican government. What you people are doing isnt the solution. And whether you agree with what we are doing in Iraq or not you should not ever disrespect the family of a soldier in that way. They are currently and have always put themselves in harms way for our country. And its funny you all think its ok for the immigration until they come take your job. Or one of them rear ends your car while driving without a license or insurance. Once it noticeably affects you your opinion will change. If you have trouble affording health insurance ask yourself why that is.When they go to the hospital and gte treated for free it costs you brother. Remember that. If you think there is no negative effect by this. face the facts you are WRONG!
 

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if you hate this country soooo much then get the hell out

anyone else find it ironic to be lectured on hate from someone who unapologetically expresses a pathology of paranoia against "illegal immigrants"?

There is great strain on our country due to the influx of these people.

we are supposed to take this as a truth, apparently, that should be accepted w/o the need to provide any evidence.

The problem isnt the United States. The problem is the mexican government.

read: we are under attack by the mexicans

actually, the problem is largely to blame on the united states & its agenda of economic globalization, one manifestation of which is nafta, very much responsible for undermining state autonomy, destroying state economies & adversely affecting the agricultural livelihoods of countless peoples throughout the southern hemisphere. in fact, that is the ultimate dream of capitalism - to create a universal class of propertyless wage laborers from which to exploit in order to maximize profit/self-interest. these are more than just economic choices people are making here.

its funny you all think its ok for the immigration until they come take your job

reality check - deporting & banning all surplus workers will not drive up wages for yard crews, "floor technicians" (i.e. janitors), migrant workers, poultry & cattle workers, servants, etc to the point where you'd likely agree to do that work. be honest - it's paranoia to think that "illegal immigrants" threaten your job security. and if they do, wouldn't it be more productive/realistic to blame the bossman instead?

Or one of them rear ends your car while driving without a license or insurance.

well that's what you have insurance for, right? to lessen the risk of financial damages from accidents while driving. it hardly matters who was behind the wheel. look at how many u.s. citizens don't have auto insurance & revoked/suspended licenses.

If you have trouble affording health insurance ask yourself why that is. When they go to the hospital and gte treated for free it costs you

of course! 45 million people can't afford health insurance in this country b/c of those damn mexicans clogging up the emergency rooms. no way it could be anyone else's fault now, could it.

whether you agree with what we are doing in Iraq or not

just what the hell are we doing in iraq?

ou should not ever disrespect the family of a soldier in that way

what is the proper way to disrespect the family of a soldier?

They are currently and have always put themselves in harms way for our country

how does "our" country benefit from them putting themselves in harms way in iraq?

these are not rhetorical questions.
 

dear tbone

I don't know what you expected. It was an ANARCHIST anti-anti-immigration rally. Is it a huge shock that maybe anarchists don't care about the law? Or support people who break it to be closer to their families or get themselves to a piece of shit job?
Why is it that capital can flow with ease across fictious lines but human beings are supposed to respect borders?
I'm sorry you've lost friends over patriotism and have family fighting for corporate interests. Such friends and family might be supported more by anarchists if they were to attack the people that keep us in this mess - their officers, politicians, bureaucrats, bosses, or the police (like Andres Raya did in California last November,) instead of supporting and aiding them. But if soldiers are following orders just like everyone else, anarchists probably are not going to cdheer them. As I observed the argument it didn't seem like the soldier's mother or the desecrated-flag waver were going to convert the other to their cause or lifestyle or idealogue - so why does it matter if the conversation broke down to name-calling? At least those two individuals know where the other stands and who to be in conflict with now.
I will agree with you on one point. It is the Mexican government's fault. And the American government. And the Canadian government. And the English government. And the French government. And the Israeli government. And the Palestinian government. And the Iraqi government. And the Burmese government. And the Vietnamese government. And any other country's government. Patriots help dig their own graves.
Laws DO exist for a reason, and it's to support the fuckheads that control our lives. To make it easier for them to exploit our labor and to keep us divided and to punish anyone who tries to oppose it.
If people ANYWHERE want things to change, it would be an excellent idea to bash and attack their homeland. Whatever pitiful rights and privilege we as citizens have been given, we've been given them under terms of appeasement for what were originally much more extreme demands. Even worse, reformist efforts of the past have made tyrants and oppressors go down in history as humanitarians.
If someone's cheating the system to survive, or better yet, to help capitulate it - great! From foodstamps to mothers coming to America so their children can be citizens and have benefits to health care to straight-up shoplifting and bank robbing, the war against the State and Its economy is diverse and I hope at least (though, I'm sad to say I know some don't) most anarchists respect and support it.
Fight for class, not for country.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

Dear TBone,

You stated that: "Yes we are a country of immigrants. We are NOT a country of illegal immigrants."

Last I checked I don't think the settlers asked anyone permission.

Its funny to hear a country founded by people who came here and destroyed the population that existed complaining about people coming in without thier permission.

Get a clue, borders are a figmant of you imagination.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

immigrants are to the 2006 usa fascists what the gypsies, jews & poles were to german fascists in the 1930s. fascism historically requires a scapegoat to promote ultra-nationalism & uber-patriotism in the homeland.

Senate Shifts Iraq Funds to Border Patrols
the guardian
Wednesday April 26, 2006 10:31 PM
www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5782450,00.html
The Senate voted Wednesday to divert some of the money President Bush requested for the war in Iraq to instead increase security on the nation's borders and provide the Coast Guard with new boats and helicopters.

On border security, the Senate voted 59-39 for a plan to cut Bush's Iraq request by $1.9 billion to pay for new aircraft, patrol boats and other vehicles, as well as border checkpoints and a fence along the Mexico border crossing near San Diego.

While the border security funds had broad support, Democrats and Republicans argued over whether the cuts to Pentagon war spending would harm troops in Iraq. The cuts, offered by Judd Gregg, R-N.H., would trim Bush's request for the war by almost 3 percent but don't specify how.

Gregg chairs the Appropriations Homeland Security subcommittee. His border security plan focuses on the capital needs of the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard, including new planes, helicopters, ships and communications equipment.

Gregg said his plan would "give the people who are defending us on our borders, the border security agents, the Custom agents, the Coast Guard, the tools they need to do their job right - the unmanned vehicles, the cars, the helicopters which are a critical part of our fight in the war on terrorism. It has to be done now."


"Reactionary concepts plus revolutionary emotion result in Fascist mentality." - wilhelm reich
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

These peaple who are illegal in this country should should not be allowed to stay. They are taking are jobs.
 

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They are taking are jobs.

name some of these jobs

also, suppose your employer does hire an undocumented worker to replace you - why in the world would you blame the undocumented worker and not the employer? you'd have a valid case against that employer & could get them in a heap of trouble w/ a couple phone calls. scapegoating another wage slave only benefits the party that is really breaking the law.
 

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Roofing jobs (one of many). Oh oh i know, these are jobs Americans wont do huh? No these are jobs Americans wont do for sub standard wages. You guys are idiots and can never back shit up. You know why? Its because all you little punks are suburban rich kids who try to act like some kind of "oh im poor, i can relate with other classes so well". Well we all know who you really are. I'll tell you punks what. Let us know where you guys work, i'll come and do/take your job for 1/4 the pay. Than we'll see if you can sing the same tune. I bet not. The only people who dont mind about illegal immigration are rich people sitting pretty out in the suburbs. The working class are the ones who are getting shit on by these invaders not the rich people or there rich kids who like to start these gay fuckn websites.
 
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Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois / 07 May 2006

J Downer knows nothing...

Hey J Downer, ever hear of facts? Maybe you should try using them in your next dumb-ass comment. Here let me show you how it's done...
"The Myth of Low-Wage Warfare": ipsnews.net/news.asp

Fact of the matter is, that illegal immigrants aren't stealing any of your jobs. They're filling all the ones that white-bread patriotic yuppie morons refuse to do.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

all this trash talk from a bunch of wannabe anarchists to afraid to show their faces. LOL, wow you guys are so frightening.
 

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uh those wannabe anarchists (whatever that means) were showing their faces to all of collinsville that day, hardly a cowardly act, while you were making anonomous insults from the safety of your computer. christ sakes cant people ever fuckin talk politics or theory or desires instead of always calling others (especially anarchists) cowards, rich kids, violent, ect. come on nonya and Volksfront lets hear your solutions and positions.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

The last three posts are great examples of logical fallacy ad hominem.

"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument against the person") or attacking the messenger, involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself." Taken from Wikipedia.

Try countering the argued points instead of the arguer. Otherwise you just look dumb.
 

hey dr. asshole

"ad hominem" litterally means "to the person" or "toward the person", referring to an argument directed "toward the person" and not the point of argument, asshole.
nice attempt to sound more sophisticated and lofty than us lowly, gutter-mouthed anarchists.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

All illegal immigrants should be arrested and thrown in jail for breaking our laws. i am sure the majority of these illegals are poor examples of people here and back where they came from. Do it legal or dont do it at all. CRIMINALS OF THE UNITED STATES...........GO HOME! THOSE THAT HELP ILLEGALS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES AND THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
 

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Who is or is not considered an "illegal" immigrant changes with fluctuating immigration law. How fair is it, when millions of people suddenly become "illegal" because legislators promptly decide to change the law to suit their whims?

The term "illegal" is fiction, and it's used to justify jingoism, if not outright racism. Assuming you are not simply hiding your own racism, your faith in the law is misplaced.

Immigrants do plenty to keep this country's economy afloat, a fact which often becomes apparent in the aftermath of large-scale deportations:
Immigration raids leave Georgia town bereft, stunned

This quote is particularly striking: "This reminds me of what I read about Nazi Germany, the Gestapo coming in and yanking people up."

That small town in Georgia may very well die because it lost so much if its work force, whom you call "poor examples of people." I'm curious what you mean by people being "criminals of the U.S." Do you want there to be widespread rural poverty throughout this country because small towns don't have sustaintable work forces?
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

Hey Fred, have you ever been to Mexico? Because you seem to have a lot of opinions of a country that probably you have never visited or done enough research about. Next time don't generalize to much, and do your research on their work culture and their values.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

I wish I had known about this. I would have joined. I have known many "illegal" immigrants over the years. The majority are hard workers. For those that say to get out of the country or move away if you don't agree with our government...I would if I could but thanks to laws of this wonderful country, in particular the state I live in. I can not even move to a different state. Even though I am a law abiding citizen but that is a totally different subject. We lose more of our freedoms every day and most people are too blind to see it. Illegal immigrants are not taking jobs for less pay any more than the next person. For those that think all illegals don't pay taxes you really should get to know some illegal immigrants. A lot actually originally come here legally and don't return home when their "time" is up. The majority DO have taxes taken out of their paycheck just like the rest of us. This is a subject that I could go on and on about so I will will quit now.
 

Re: Anarchist Opposition to Anti-Immigration Rally in Collinsville Illinois

This is sycophantic to no fucking end.

I actually agree with you guys on most of this, except for the way you're going about it. It's not a question of your approach being "immoral," it's about reaching people. You can't speak to people on a medium that expects them to understand how stupid nationalism is, and how capitalism constructs borders and militaries to defend private property; meanwhile, you offer extensive critiques of the way capitalist media indoctrinates hegemony. BECAUSE working people have been dumbed down into nationalism, patriarchy, racism, etc., we must go to them, and speak with them on mediums they will receive. That DOES NOT MEAN deradicalize your ideas. That means get them to realize that war and nationalism are anti-human concepts, BEFORE we attempt to symbolically negate nationalism--otherwise the art, or in this case, banner, will not be understood.

Also, as a side note, stop the swirling faces. Some of us ARE anarchists, and we would like to organize with you. We can't find you at demonstrations when we don't know what you look like. I know you're paranoid about the FBI, but this is ridiculous--not to mention, it only further confuses the hell out of the people you need to be reaching.
 

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