“I analogize it to auditory graffiti,� Schmid said.

can you say moro - no...wait, better make that 'can you say neuro linguistic programming'? check this quote:

Schmid said the bills "deal with loud booming car stereos, which some have referred to as urban terrorism or auditory graffiti."
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/neighborhoods/stories.nsf/southcityjournal/news/story/2E63D0EE125B0F40862570FF007B613A

urban terrorism, huh? [cue footage of muhammed ali twirling his finger around the side of his head, signing el loco]

The music gets so loud, Alderman() Dionne Flowers, that when "you’re in bed, you fall out."

c'mon. these people are hysterical. do they think they are performing theater here? i've yet to hear a car stereo loud enough to knock anyone out of bed. otoh, i expect that these dadburn planes & jets that fly over the neighborhood during the middle of the night will now be subject to seizure. right, schmid? and then there's those railroad tracks several blocks away. i can only imagine how loud and rattling it must be living next to that. and let's talk about the irritating buzz of those pesky helicopters that circle over the city. it's past time to send these sources of auditory graffiti a strong message too. equal opportunity, ya know. not just picking on the g's in the hood. right, elected representatives?

"The time has come to do something about that loud noise," said another Public Safety Committee member, Alderman Freeman Bosley Sr., D-3rd Ward.


you're damn right!

if they can do this


Bill 81 also makes it easier for police to charge people who operate a radio, phonograph, loud speaker or other device for making sounds in a way that disturbs the residents of the neighborhood.

Under a bill now on the books, a resident must serve as a witness to such a violation between 7 a.m. and 11 p.m. Under that law, after 11 p.m. and before 7 a.m., any device heard within more than 100 feet shall be evidence of a noise violation. Police officers can issue citations if they hear it without any witnesses.

Under changes in Schmid's legislation, nobody can play any sound device that's plainly audible outside, except by voluntary listeners who are present on property where the owner has given permission.

That change does not give any minimum distance or time period for prohibited noise. Residents would not have to serve as witnesses. If police hear it, they could write a ticket.


we should demand that something be done about the serious industrial & commercial noise pollution we have to put up with in our neighborhoods. put an end to air traffic from scott afb or lambert between the hours of 11pm and 7am. especially if you can't turn up some music now to drown it out.

Despite all the amputation
You could dance to a rock ’n’ roll station
And it was all right
It was all right
Hey babe

say cheese
stlcin.missouri.org/alderman/alderman.cfm

Neighborhoods located entirely or partially in Ward 20 are:
16 Dutchtown
18 Marine Villa
19 Gravois Park
30 Benton Park West

from the 2000 census

Summary Data For Wards (16,18,19,20)

Total Population: 48,909

Race:
White alone 20,205 41.31%
Black or African American alone 26,606 54.40%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 111 0.23%
Asian alone 858 1.75%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone 12 0.02%
Some other race alone 320 0.65%
Population of two or more races: 797 1.63%

Hispanic Or Latino: 950 1.94% of Total Population

Race For The Population 18 Years And Over:
Total: 36,372 100.00%
White alone 17,127 47.09%
Black or African American alone 17,732 48.75%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 81 0.22%
Asian alone 688 1.89%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone 9 0.02%
Some other race alone 227 0.62%
Population of two or more races 508 1.40%

Hispanic Or Latino, 18 Years And Over: 714 1.96% of Population 18 Years and Over

It's always been a mystery to me! There is a double-standard for loud, noise-making vehicles. Why don't they also pass a law against loud, huge redneck trucks that look and sound like a tank on the road. Additionally, why not pass a law that bans loud-ass motorcycles (harley-davisons) that are reved up by the flag-carrying, troop-supporting idiots who ride them.

This is such blatant racism. It's not the first time this has happened, and it's not the first place. These laws sound like they're fair, but the disproportionaly target a particular group. Just like a few years ago, when Cheshire Lounge passed a rule to keep out people with dreds; or with france outlawing religious attire at public schools. Screw that. Bumb your sh*t louder now.

mb

I think this punishment is draconian, but I have to say that it has been more of an annoyance to me than helicopters, airplanes, or industrial noise.

No, I have not been knocked out of bed, but I have been woken up, and I have had to get out of bed in the middle of the night and go outside and talk to someone who became hostile to me because I wanted a decent night sleep. Also, I've seen people play their car stereos that loud with children in the back seat. That's child abuse no different from breaking a kid's arm.

But seizing a car, no. A fine like a speeding ticket would be acceptable to me.

I'm glad to see that our political representatives have a vast background in Electrical engineering, mathematics and physics.

Craig Schmid Has arbitrarily pulled a bunch of random numbers out of his a$$! No speakers over 12" and no amps over 300 watts. First of all most manufactures DRASTICLLY Inflate the advertised power ratings of amps, so unless cops are going to start caring oscilloscopes, this is an unrealistic requirement. Second the volume of audio cannot be quantified just by the size of a speaker and the power.

A speaker with a sensitivity of 100db, Regardless of its size, can produce sound levels of 120db(this causes physical pain and permanent damage) with only 100watts.

For a speaker with a sensitivity of 86db, the power requires to produce 120db is over 2000 watts!

It is clear that they have no idea what they are talking about, and this will just be used as another B.S. reason to justify unwarranted searches.

"Open the trunk, I need to check you woofer size."

There are clearly issues with the 1st and 4th amendment.

Think GOD someone is doing some about it.

As of Friday the Mayor sent it back to the board to get more info from the Alderman(). Looks like our cars are safe for now.

Here is what I got back from the Mayor's Office

Mayor Slay() passed your concern on to me. The Mayor would like to thank you for your interest in the legislative process. As of Friday, Board Bill 81 and 82 have been sent back to committee at the request of the sponsor for more input. The Mayor will continue to monitor the bills as they proceed through the legislative process. Again we would like to thank you for your input and interest in the City of St. Louis.

Thanks,

Wag

it is a bougus bill and i think that the people that complain about something as stupid as loud music then they need to get a life and a job so they can afford there own system instead of complaining about pepole that have work to buy there system. if they try to illegalize loud music then its going to turn out to be the same kind of proplem with weed they still cant stop the production of it its in every school every city,town,state, and country.