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They weren't raped
24 Oct 2005
Date Edited: 24 Oct 2005 02:17:24 PM
1) The act occurred, and
2) The act was not consensual.
One body was never found, so you can't show that she was penetrated. The other stiff had been in the water for a while and was somewhat rotten. Can't prove she was penetrated.
As to consent, whenever a nonwhite man is accused of killing a white female, they tack on "rape" charges (unless she has her hymen intact, in which case they tack on "attempted rape" charges as in the Ferguson/Florissant "Flush white trash down the toilet" incident). It's like the story "Native Son". Same as the Deep South of the 1800s (or anywhere in the USA, as Native Son took place in Chicago).
The girls didn't have to be pushed by their cousin (not terribly surprised that white cousins would make moves on each other, though!). They could have committed suicide by jumping off (I've always considered it a suicide). Another likely scenario: the girls were drunk (or high on other drugs) and they slipped off. Back then, the bridge was closed to the public, unlighted, possibly with holes in the side bars.
One thing is certain: the STLPD(
The forensic officer lied, making theories that contradict the main story. The officer claimed that the one body that was found had a dent in her skull, "PROVING" that Gray hit her with a large object, then dragged her to the bridge and dumped her overboard. In reality, there are lots of rocks in a rapids just downstream of the bridge; any dents in her skull probably occurred as she went down the rapids. In addition, the "he raped and hit her on the head somewhere else, then took her to the bridge" story goes against other cops who claim they were "raped" on the bridge.
In any event, all three brothers are innocent. Hypothetically, even if they had done the girls (which they didn't), there's no way to prove the girls didn't want it.
In addition, the "peaceful" methods in the original article aren't the only way to handle the situation. Remember: negative reinforcement is the main way to achieve justice. Blunt's decision to pardon is based not on doing the right thing, but to avoid negative repercussions that would result from _not_ pardoning the innocent men.
Too bad the gentlemen weren't tried in Illinois, then Ryan would have commuted their sentences.
Comments
Still grieving
26 Oct 2005
I knew the Kerry sisters for years. Julie and I dated for a couple of years. Both girls were very into peace and social justice issues; Julie worked on inner-city literacy projects. They were both in love with life and to suggest that they commited suicide is to broadcast your complete ignorance.
Some very bad men did some very bad things that evening. Some very stupid people are using our nations' history of racial injustice to distort or justify the Kerry sisters' murderers actions. If the convicted were Lemay hoosiers, I seriously doubt we'd be having this discussion. If Lemay hoosiers had raped and pushed a couple of African-American girls off a bridge, you'd be calling for their scalps.
Knowing Julie and what a beautiful, peaceful person she was, I've always thought it so ironic that the men who killed her were sentenced to death. Julie was opposed to the death penalty. Too bad her killers weren't opposed to murder.
So you dated her huh?
14 Dec 2005
get real
27 Dec 2005
read the book a rip in heaven
& pray
.may julie and robin rest in peace.
Re: So you dated her huh?
04 Mar 2006
Re: So you dated her huh?
08 Feb 2007
So sorry for you that you've lost your murderous, rapist uncle. Take solace in the fact that he's getting cornholed by demons in hottest regions of hell.
Talk all the shit you want, Nissha. You don't know Julie, so you can't know what her life was like. It's safe to say the whole world knows the bestial nature of your dead and damned uncle!!
Re: So you dated her huh?
22 Feb 2007
Re: So you dated her huh?
17 May 2007
Re: So you dated her huh?
17 Dec 2007
Is his full name Marlin Gray Asshole?
Blacks are incapable of negative reinforcement
26 Oct 2005
Blacks may lash out in little insignificant acts,but these acts have no real bearing on who truly holds power in this country as well as the world.Malcolm X advocated such nonsense and look what that achieved.
I find his comments as laughable as the concept of Black "Gangstas"who idealize the real Mafia and run around like illiterate Gorillas wearing their "collahs"commiting two bit crimes and pretending like they actual have some authority and power when all they are really doing is fighting and killing themselves,but I say let them,good riddance.
The moral of the story is Blacks can be racist also and Eric B.is one of them.Marlin Gray needs to be punished for his crimes against these innocent White girls.
Grow up
28 Oct 2005
Anytime that I have been around him he always seemed fairly timid and backwards.I think he posts these comments to get everybody worked up and feel like he is something he is not.Grow up already R.J.
Eric B. and Rakim.... and Umar?
28 Oct 2005
under the name of one of your favorite old school hip-hop artists.I think some of your comments are racist,(but amusing) and as a bi-racial person I would like to hear your feelings on people of mixed heritage.
Re: They weren't raped
04 Mar 2006
Re: They weren't raped
04 Aug 2007
I, too, suspected suicide (and still it remains in my mind). On Wednesday evening (2 days prior to the incident) Julie drove Thomas (without Robin) down to the Levee to show him how much "in love" she was with the river and what it held for her...like a magnetic hold. 6 months prior, she wrote a long poem cryptically referring to "being on the bridge, jumping off into the mighty Mississippi and how glorious one would feel". Her poem appeared in the UMSL Current in January, 1991. There were many holes in the railings/side bars of that bridge.
Sure the SLMPD lied...they were Nels Moss' henchmen. Hell, he received over $2000 in campaign contributions in 1992 (just prior to the trials) from the St. Louis Police Officer's Association. They beat Marlin (I was there at City Jail that night to personally attest to his injuries but the jailers refused him medical attention. Reggie's beating during questioning was so bad the judge stopped the arraignment so Reggie could go to the Emergency Room...guess that's not enough proof for people.
The forensic officer testifying to "the body" was a quack and a goofball. The body had no dent in her skull (according to witnesses at the scene of the recovery). According to the medical examiner there, "this body had little no visible signs of injury, slightly-moderately bloated, all extremities intact, and STILL CLOTHED. This girl looks like she just "walked into the river and drowned maybe 2-3 days ago. The body did not have any signs of decomposition relative to it being in the water 3 weeks and traveling 150 miles past all those chemical/industrial/treatment plants, debris, barge traffic, wild predators in the water, etc.
RIP IN HEAVEN...is a crock of lies...interesting though...as Jeanine Cummins (the author and Thomas' sister), by her own admission of guilt, had prior knowledge that Thomas was going to sneak out of the house to have a late night rendezvous with Julie going up to the Bridge (against their father's expressed directives earlier). If she had opened her mouth, her cousins might still be alive today...and so would Marlin Gray!